In this video I bring you along and you can watch as I almost make a mistake by making an assumption. The EVAP vent valve on this vehicle is difficult to get to as well as the bulkhead connector in the rear of the vehicle. I almost skipped some testing because.... well just because. Then I remembered to practice what you preach. Test don't guess. Good thing I did too 😉
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Oh another lovely Monday I Got a Chevrolet out here that's a Malibu. It's probably the Money light is on so we're gonna bring that in. have a look. Oh boy.
I'm not sure if I can fit and we're in. Whoa. Oh, that's what we got over here. All right.
We got a code reader and a purge valves. What's that? Tell us that tells us that we probably have an EVAP code. It's gonna be my guess. at least some parts changed.
Money Light is on, turn signals around. we got everything on here. Your models are having this thing 71k. Wow, she's pretty young.
I'm gonna go through a full scan here. We're really only interested in the ECM codes which looks like there's one of at least at this point. Get you guys out of the glare here. you know, maybe twirl around.
Let's do the dance. Well, there's lights everywhere. Let's just skip that okay bent solenoid valve control circuit your classic 449. So okay, piece of cake.
But prior to doing that, let's just jump into uh, generic OBD2 because we wanted to see. obviously with the code reader on the seat I can only assume that the uh drive cycle isn't finished. You keep hitting that clear button. Yeah, okay, yeah, so it drive cycle is not finished.
We have probably the EVAP monitor which we already have a code for. so let's see incomplete EVAP system. Yep, and we just have your Classic 4489. Uh, so pretty easy unless it's a broken wire.
it's just a bad cancer vent valve. So all right, well let's check it out anyways. kind of boring I Could be wrong, but I was thinking on each mail booze, you've got to drop the tank because I think once you take your Shield off I Remember right I think the canister is is up above the tank or up in that front corner where you can't get to anything. I'm not 100 sure, but we're gonna try to take this down without a lot of casualties and have a look anyways.
Usually these things are full of dirt and everything else, so that's non-existent. There's a couple metal screws. These nuts. here.
These nuts. These are plastic, but there's some screws that go in the front. One of them just disintegrated I Want this one that's pretty good. Two out of three.
eight man. I Want to get a hold of that one. Something else. There's something up there.
I Think that's it. Let's get that other. uh. remember that one there off and we'll be in home stretch.
Foreign. So the canisters right here. You gotta drop the tank. Drop the tank.
You gotta drop the exhaust. It looks doable. Um, let's see if we can find the okay, yeah, the connectors back here. the bulkhead connector.
We can make our tests right from there to tell if it's open circuited. I mean I can tell them the scan tool it is already because the open circuit test on the scan tool says malfunctioned. So I mean that already tells me that it's open circuits. We really don't have to go any further.
but I wanted to get a look at this so if we get the job I can at least quote it out on that vent valve. and I guess before we get too far, let me see if I can get a hold of this lady see what she wants to do. So this is kind of a pitcher all the way around the connector. Slims Let's see if I can show you guys here. it's gonna sucker lives right up there above the frame. I Can't get my hand up in here between the sway bar and the fuel tank to get it unplugged and you can't access it from the back of the frame either. Go classic. General Motors Engineering here.
Um I think this one. We're gonna have to go with the skin tool diagnosis in the circuit monitor that GM uses and like I say we can see our open. Uh, our circuit open test has a malfunction and that tells me that we do have an open circuit. Obviously it would be nice to be able to test it right at the canister vent valve.
However, like I said, the tank needs to come down. Things you need to think about: New York is how Rusty is the rest of it. So you know we look at that net tube on the filler neck. you know, is that going to come on hooked? So there's a few things we need to take into consideration before we call a customer.
You know just how ride this car is the 2013 So it is essentially on hospice to the end of its life. you know, year or two left before it's complete garbage. So I think the bolts itself, come on tank I think we'll be okay. let me get a hold of her see if we can get the job all right.
Hallelujah I think I got the connector out had a zip tie around it which I was able to finagle back reach up there. repair cutter is okay. so now we're at the connector and okay before we call the customer, let's do this for realsy. So I remembered I don't know how but it was like six years ago we fixed one of these.
remember it was a 2014 I remember like you remember I did a video and I had some fuel tank pressure or fuel pressure sensor circuit problems so I looked it up on YouTube it was a 2014 Malibu and the parking brake cable on the 14 different than 13 ran around up through the fender liner and rubbed through on wiring harness and that's why I wanted to look at prior to um prior to doing this I'm like oh great we got us a you know, a little Easter egg. let's just go fix that I see the cable was different so I wanted to be 100 sure that we have controlled the vent valve at least to this connector so we can justify dropping the tank before I call the customer. So we're looking for Red Green and a white wire. A fire diagram is correct, which it probably isn't.
Wait a minute I see like I see green stuff right here? Oh boy. and I see our wire Cutter's not right. It makes me wonder if somebody did some. Hocus Pocus here yes ma'am this is Hocus Pocus this is not OEM Okay, that explains the zip tie I thought I could smell me some green.
One thing I can do is smell crusty wire. oh I don't know why but foreign. Well the good news is we don't have to drop the tank. Hopefully see if we can fix whatever kind of a lot of jobs in here though. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's something. There's one broken wire which looks like it's already been broken before. because this is.
you know, it's obviously not a factory and a shielded wire here. Oh okay, that's our red green wire. Yeah, it was a she's already been repaired one time there. folks, those are some shielded wires.
Everything else I think is okay I don't have any of these um, these pins or these terminals. Hmm, it's very been fixed once. That's kind of sketch. Let me just got uh, heat shrink over.
it. looks like it's got adhesive in it I don't know. It's kind of the best thing to do would be to order a terminal there. Well, let's see how much Green's up that wire I guess clean there and she's pretty clean there.
So I guess we could fix it. You see, ultimately the best thing to do would be actually nice and shiny. Best thing to do would be to buy a new pin and wire and do the whole deal just because it's been repaired once before. Um, well yeah.
I think we'll be okay. We'll just butt connect it, tape it up and I'll let the customer know I mean the car's only got last? I could say a couple more years and then there'll be End of the Road Anyways, look at angel heat shrink butt connector. the crimped around there and all the heat shrink it down. It does have the adhesive in it so they seal up really nice.
All right, let's just cool down. We'll get her taped up here and something. must have poked that at some point. Obviously, maybe maybe during the initial repair here.
Whatever happened, they were, you know, jamming in there with a teslate or something. Who knows what? We're just going to taper up a little bit. All right, foreign. Pick that back up.
So yeah, if you're watching this video and you're looking for an answer on a 2014 and for whatever reason, it's made it this far like I say the parking brake cables are in a little different on those there. we are perfect Now when we plug this in all right scan tool I'm expecting if the vet valve is good where it says malfunction, we should no longer have a malfunction plugged in and now we no longer have a malfunction. it says it's okay. we should be able to hear it click now.
foreign and we can talk like this. Oh, let's shove this back up there. pretend we didn't see it. We need to get our little Christmas tree Fastener here.
you guys can't see anything Anyways, you're just gonna have to believe me. I'm gonna get winter dress put back where it was. Let's see if I can sneak a zip tie up there I Don't know but let's see if I can get this all back the way it was. Anyhow, so here's our best bet.
um it is. It is a shiny repair. When we did, let's be honest just because it's been fixed twice. So I looked up the connector this x350 and we come down here and we find the um uh here we go. Positive voltage pin M red, red with green circuit number 2440. it's Terminal ID type number three We come up here. Uh Terminal ID3 Terminated Lead this one three Five Seven Six Three Six three Uh, we can get that right from uh right from GM You know you can buy the individual Terminals and they tell you what trade they're in and what crimping tool to use I don't have any of that. Uh, obviously nobody keeps that you know stuff around the shop.
I wouldn't think I mean there's literally thousands of different types of pins and configurations and connectors, but I'll just order this terminated lead from GM get the customer back in and then, uh, you know, fix that proper. So so the reason I want to go that route is just because it's kind of a shiny repair we did. Let's be honest I mean it's somebody's already repaired that thing. you know, an eighth inch off that connector and I just need to know that my repair is going to be good.
Like I said, even though the car might only have you know, two, three, maybe four years at the absolute most left in it. I Want to make sure what we did is good in that connector or that wire and wire leads really cheap and you know we know how to access it and you know, might take us another, you know, half hour or 40 minutes or so to actually go through and fix it right? This will at least let the customer get it through a drive cycle right now so they can go and get a sticker on it. you know, providing there's no other evap leaks because now that the vet valve works, it can go through the rest of the EVAP test. so hopefully there's not in that regards.
But I think I'll feel more comfortable telling the customer that you know I rigged it up. We need to get the wire lead to do it correctly. Well, you know we'll untape it. We'll do, you know, do what we got to do.
come back and fix it the right way. even though I struggled and did get a zip tie up there. um, it's just not going to sit well with me until I know it's actually done. You know the best that I can correctly.
So uh, that's it. Fortunately we don't have to drop the tank and that's great. And the other thing that would be great if you guys went in that comment section left a comment. the question, the concerns you have for me find me on the Instagram the Facebook just for our viewers.
but I can do it. You can do it. Thanks for watching foreign.
GM Tech here. Ive picked up a few things watching your electronic diagnosis work. Nice to know theres competent repair technicians out there. Keep up the good work!
Great job ! Rust Belt Warrior!
Gotta Love those Self inflicted wounds!!!!
What website are you using to view factory details for connector terminal part numbers?
I am shocked it lasted 10 years… lived in Syracuse in the 80's and my 88 Camaro was a rust bucket within one year of ownership.
Must suck living up north. 10 year old car with 71K talking about she's on the way out the door. I have a '16 with 165k and expect to get about 100k more out of her. That weater rots them out fast.
GM = junkyard 😂
Those spaghetti wires cant handle the heat and amps and self destruct. So does the rest of the car.
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it's a shame that gm quality is so bad….
You dah Man Eric O!
Eh… Just twist the wires together and tape it up. It'll be ite. 😂
I wouldn’t want it fixed any further. What you did will outlast the life of the car.
I really think you do have a nose for the green crusties, it's amazing how you find them (at least in the videos you share, lol)
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The great northeast…. Lots of rot and rust …. Sub frames always rot …. Keeps the welding shops in business…. A roll of high voltage rubberized tape makes a great watertight harness repairs. GM is using the Ford exterior running wiring…. Nothing but nightmares
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Your integrity and knowledge, are second to none. I thoroughly enjoy your videos inclusive of detailed explanations and a commitment to – "do it right – or don't do it all all"… I wish you were closer to Ohio. Thank you for your honesty and integrity.
Great video Eric O. as always.The important thing is being up front with the customer as you do thats why people trust you. And you got the customer back on the road.
You are a brave man using that torch near the tank. I know its supposed to be sealed but I worry about old GM tanks/lines and vapor. To be fair a heatgun might melt that janky old harness before the connector hits it melting point. Regardless, thanks for the solid vids. I can tell that you are an honest mechanic and your community probably really appreciates it
Nice customer service and support
Thanks for explaining about the ability to replace the wires.
Technically, there's probably nothing wrong with leaving it as you fixed it, but outstanding ethics with not liking it, even though it 'worked', and wanting to fix it RIGHT. I don't like half-a**ing things either if I have a choice.
Might you be able to offer some advice? My wife's '15 Malibu 2.0T has been throwing 'EVAP Large Leak' codes for a while now, which I haven't been able to track down. If she keeps the tank above I believe half, she never gets a CEL, but when she lets it get low, it'll pop up. And to further muddy the situation, after I replaced the engine (DON'T ASK!!!), it seemed to stay away for some time, making me suspect whatever was causing the DTC was actually somewhere on the original engine, but then it came back.
The two stumpers are that it seems to never crop up unless the tank is run low and it disappeared for several months after swapping the engine…
Any tips?
So sad Evap codes seem to be a rackit just keep showing up frecking car runs great but will not pass Emissions. AND its really inportant to test this gost type system
they should just have car washes up where you are that have spray whole car with your favorite rustproofing oil lol
Another job well done Eric. The world needs more like you!
What is your go to scanner ? And maybe a video of the diag tools you go to the most?
Great diag a usual Eric.
Did you consider going to Wilberts and grab a used connector? Crawling under a car at the JY to get one might not be any fun. 🙃
GM certainly has some interesting engineering ideas. Take everything apart to get to a simple component, must of had some dealer input.
Do you have Carfax? can you look up the vin to see if it comes from an auction?
These are great!
2013 car on hospice? All 3 of my everyday vehicles are well older than that. Newest is 2005 and runs great.
Love your video's.
That '13 malibu frame looks rustier than my '04 accord.. and they use salt on our roads…
Have to say it's nice to see more videos being put out absolutely love the content and the fact your family is included. You have helped me to strive to be a better tech. Thanks Eric O and family keep up the great work.
The 83 Malibu Police car was a much nicer and more durable vehicle. GM has gone backward.
The only thing I got out of that was Red-Green (show), and 2 out of 3 Ain't bad (Meatloaf) 🤣
I love Eric's comment that he can smell a crusty wire! Great job again!
These nutz 😂😂😂
You always amaze. Your ability to find a bad wire/ connection is remarkable.
You saved the customer a lot of money by not pulling the tank out Eric. Nicely done smelling the green crusties.
How come a 14 GM has at most 4 years left?
The crusties, the crappy wire wraps, the use of A/C twist tighten wire connector, and on and on!
Good one Mr. O!
If you want to see some absolutely epic green crusties, slip on over to samcrac,s channel and check out the fuse box he pulls out of a recently purchased aston martin semi submersible.
That car deserves a couple cans of fluid film it's not bad.
Wow, can't believe I've been subscribed for such a long time. Never a disappointing video here… I'm going to go see if you have any videos for hybrid type vehicles, not that I've stumbled upon any hybrids, personally, just an odd interest.
Can’t believe cars only last 10 years up north. Crazy. I’m in Texas and I drive a 1988 Honda Civic to work, every day.
Eric…. what is your personal car and what is your wifes?
Test NOT Guess is a great motto….plus you sleep better knowing you did it right!
surprised the car looks like crap underneath…it looks brand new on top. You just never know.
I like all your videos but I like these diagnosis videos best.
I'm sure you aren't going to do that wire repair for 50 dollars it's probably more like 250
Eric, “two out of three ain’t bad,” thus sang Meatloaf many moons ago. “You give techs a good name.”
Hay there mr.o my name is corey im from duluth Minnesota! Im workin on a 2010 chevy silverado 1500 . Lt and it has service trailer brake warning, tpms, check engine, C0900:00 code???? And abruptly slows down to 30mph from 60 mph from time to time and the door locks go up and down all on there own ? Weird…lol Any thoughts?
Whew Eric, that was a close one. You figured out a way NOT to drop the tank and all that is involved in doing so!
You the best Eric O’ ! Love this channel! The Green Crusty garage ,lol! 😂
Again, we're shown the value of observation along with a commitment to excellence.
I have a 2010 GMC Sierra rustproofed at Krown every other year in Ottawa Ontario Canada. I have to confess that it spent most of 7 winters (Jan to Apr) in Florida, but still spent 6 full winters in Ottawa. The truck has about 135,000 miles on it and there is hardly any visible rust under the truck. Why do you not rustproof vehicles in NY?
The clickbait title got me… When this video started that 2014 Malipoo video was the first thing I thought of and was kinda hoping it was the same deal. Then when that previous repair showed up I started to wonder if they used a wire piercing clip and punched a hole in it.
Great find and repair.
After the video of the Malibu with the fuel pressure code, I checked my 13 Malibu and didn't have the parking brake cable in the way. Gm must've been on the fence about which way to route the cables, also, mine doesn't have undershields like this one does. And I see this one you have had the rear toe arms replaced, mine are under recall.
Hi Erik. Just watched one of your brake pad videos. Was wondering what you thought of using rust-o-leum rust converter on calipers and pad housing after cleaning them?
We had a prof who put it more succinctly – `If you guess, your employer has no need of you'.
Nice one again Mr. O. The benefits of an Annual Inspection.
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Mr O, I see the Jasper engine flag on your wall, have you had good luck with them?
Wire Whisperer……
The car in this video looks really good on the body and paint but the underside is one rusty mess. So sad that cars in the area end up with premature deaths with so little miles and at such a young age.
The only thing you need to hunt for is a junk yard to take the Malibu to.
Good morning Eric. I love your channel and content and you’ve inspired me to tackle me own repair. If you could PLEASE link the GM site that you use for your wire diagrams I’d truly appreciate it. You and your family have a blessed day!!!
You and Ivan can sniff out those green crusties real well. Like Ivan would say no parts required.
Hey Eric awesome videos 👍
I need your help well i was checking a no start on my brother's 99 mazda premacy its crank no start. So when i checked it has no spark but it has injector pulse. So I checked for power, ground and signal from the connect and both power and ground are good checked with a light however signal is at steady 3.6v it doesn't change and another symptom is that the ignition coil pack heats up until you can't touch it.
Anyone is open to give any opinion
Thamks in advance
Don't you hate it when a customer comes with a empty tank!
75K is young in Salt Belt New York???
Nice looking car, FROM ABOVE!!!!!!! Such a waste how fast these cars rot in the NE.
Mr O wire surgeon extraordinaire!
Haha.
For a 71k 2013 car, that underbody is so rusted. What a shame.
Woo hoo!
North of the Mason-Dixon line people need two cars. A beater with a heater for winter and a nice vehicle for the other 6 months of the year. 12 years and cars are scrap. New York, Minnesota, North Dakota, Illinois….SALT. Makes zero sense to buy a new $62,000 truck/SUV and 12 years later tow it to the scrap yard.
I would have dropped the tank and while doing so broke the fuel line. Then the bracket would have snapped requiring me to buy a new one. And of course the fuel pump would have been smashed requiring me to order a new one of those. While eating my lunch next to the car I would have accidently kicked the fuel tank off the table breaking the fuel level sending unit. After 2 more days fixing all the additional problems, I would have attempted to solder the wiring using a propane torch. The wire insulation would have caught on fire leading to the burning down of the whole garage. The insurance company would refuse to pay the claim siting a clause in the contract that states any fires started by an idiot are not covered. Give me a call if your looking to hire a experienced mechanic. I need the work.
A great video to show wiring issues
I'm glad I don't live in the snow with all that salt . Having cars rusting out like that it's a shame the rest of that car is good . I'm from Australia and don't have that problem..
I would think people in your area purchase the cheapest that there is considering cancer will take it out in about 15 years.
Great repair, great customer dynamics as always. 95% of techs would have called the customer and dropped the tank too early.
I might not have all your awesome gadgets but I enjoy and use the way you attack each job. I'm 63 but still like to learn about electrical repairs. Keep up the great content
Love your diagnosis video's. I've been a automotive tech for 30 years. I just had a recent encounter with the green crusties. 2012 volvo with no remote door locks and TPMS issues. Found no power to the remote receiver antenna. Tracked down to green crusties at the CEM module with 2 pins from the module corroded off into the connector. Oh and I also need to break out the readers when looking at wiring diagrams.
Damn spell check
I typed pro
Always a pleasure. Thanks mr. O. Didn’t mean to rhyme sorry
I was a New York resident for over 12 years. One not only had to put up with a greedy tax loving government but also conditions that would destroy your vehicle in few years. Then auto makers make things so overly complicated that they are vulnerable to weather conditions. Glad I'm gone.
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Would undercoating help these cars from rusting out so quickly?
Eric, If your looking for Red/Green,,,, Anything goes….
Hiya Eric
It's hard to imagine a car that new being that close to it's end, I got a 06 Santa Fe with 132k thats like new, a 04 WJ with 246k thats almost like new.
Those dreaded wire-faults… I've got the impression that the quality of wires have droppet during the years, cheaper, thinner, crustier, less environmental resistance. I've got a rubber powercable from the sixties hanging outdoors, still good and pliable like new. Another one, just 2 years old, used for my car heater, is now cracking completely apart.
You seem to want to do things right hang in there way to go see ya later
Well done Sir.
I’m surprised you didn’t try finding a connector at the wrecking yard, unless the cost of the new connector was nominal?
Customer Ok'd the "correct repair" and I ordered the new wire lead from GM and will have the car the way it should be the first part of the week when the part shows up. They are driving it in the mean time as is. Thanks for watching!
-Eric O.