In this video I have a look at a customers Honda CRV. Their complaint is they can't get the key to turn to get the car running. Indeed it is stuck so now I have to replace the lock cylinder and housing. It is an easy DIY project but the sucky part is you need to program the keys when you are done.
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under the 1-2-D-N-R-P there a little cap key hole you pop out and push a latch with a key to put it ni neutral. All cars should have one…
Atlas
Hiya Eric
Ahh, the ole tin foil trick, classic
Living in Minnesota, I think every bolt on my 07 accord is a sheer bolt!
FUCKIN HONDOOS
I also own an '06 CR-V with 170k miles that I bought new, has been kept outside in southern Wisconsin its entire life, not perfect but still in very good condition, underbody looks great. i still really enjoy driving this vehicle.
👍👍🙂🇨🇦
When I worked at Honda I changed a whole wack load of those. I found the best way was a long, very sharp, chisel. Knock a slot in it then start knocking it loose on the side of it in a counter clockwise rotation. As soon as it starts moving you can use a screw driver. Those snap off security bolts are made from real soft steel
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How about a bolt extractor.
This is some next level work repair work.
My step-daughter had a 2012 VW Jetta TDI sedan, and it had an issue with the keyswitch like this — only hers wouldn't turn off once you started it. LOL
You'd have to turn the key to the "start" position, then let the key snap back into the "run" position and hope it'd go hard enough to get past the sticky point in its travel. VW apparently had a recall about it — they fixed it for free, even though the car was 7 years old and had over 100K miles. And somehow managed to re-use the same keys — we didn't have to get new keys. Maybe they were able to order a new lock cylinder to match the old key?
Anyway, I just found it weird that hers would stick in the "run" position so you'd have to fiddle with it to turn the car off. Most locks fail in the "off" position, in my experience.
So now you have to go around with two keys for the car? These for the ignition and the original key for the door locks? That's annoying. Wouldn't the part from Honda come with keys cut to the original lock so they also fit the doors?
Eric – what is the name of that little tool kit you pull out there at the beginning of the video? Thanks!
looks just like my CRV, only one year off
Love your videos best on u tube very informative
I wish dealers were honest
very good dude
As a Honda dealer tech, I have also seen some of these shear pins have left handed thread. So if lefty doesn’t loosey, try righty loosey. Everyone I work with uses the caveman method like Mr. O, it’s not going to harm anything
Love the video thanks for the tips
You made it look easy
Hope the person get the door rekeyed.
That one reason I don’t like keys with the fob and blade together
"Can't really mess this up" I worked with a guy who could mess up anything.😉 If you made a SMA hat like your jeep hat, I would buy one.
why do they make things so hard
Please don’t hesitate to do repeat videos on any work like this. First, you will probably show us different ways to skin a cat. Second, from one manufacturer to another, the steps will probably differ a lot. I marvel at your ability to understand concepts and processes to lead you through diagnosis to task completion. Great stuff!
Nice job Mr. O, as usual. The aluminum foil is a sweet trick. But…Hon-do? Nah…Hon-DON'T is more appropriate.
Wow, I saw that big hammer and chisel and instantly thought of Andrew Camarota taking a chain saw to his dash to install a new radio. Cave man indeed! Nice little vid, thank you,, Mr. O. My closing line: "if YOU can do it, then I will get YOU to do it, else it'll be a mess of expletives, cracked plastic and misfit parts".
Question; could the customer have taken the new lock cylinder and an old key to a locksmith the re-key the new cylinder so they didn’t need to have two different keys, one for the lock and one for ignition? Or are those not able to be disassembled to be re-keyed?
So many times this has happened now, had a similar job today at work on a land cruiser, then i get home and see eric has posted a video on a similar thing. Greay work!
I've gotten many broken bolts out with my Mayhew punch set. 32 years as a machinist.
I literally just had this exact same situation on my 06 Honda Ridgeline over Laborday weekend
all you needed was a cassette for the cassette player.
The long chisel way is how I do it. Seems to work every time!!
Thanks for taking us along on this one. Really enjoyed the parking lot repair. Have done that many times back in the day.
You da man !👽
The steering wheel interlock is a bit of anti-joyriding- antitheft that needs to get removed from federal codes. Immobilizers do the job much more effectively and it never stopped an actual car thief as the pin has to be weak enough to be sheered in case of it accidentally releasing. All it ever did was stop teens and fast joy riders. Who are ironically the same reason that remote starts are actually technically illegal in many places.
You did it the right way! It worked and didn’t require buying a new tool.
Eric O. OMG you had me laughing so hard when you said "all you have to do is snap it off", and bing It popped into my head "What do you want me to do lady snap it off ?" lol You can tell I watch too may SMA videos, you have tainted me, Eric. lol
Hey, how about the "money light"? I mean it's in the shop.
I had this issue with an '03 Pilot… It actually isn't that hard to take apart the lock cylinder. Usually the issue is that some of the springs/wafers either are broken, worn, or the key is worn such that the wafers don't engage properly to allow the cylinder to turn. The vehicle was old – so I just deleted all the wafers so any pilot key would turn the lock cylinder. I actually think, in your situation, I would have just pulled the cylinder, deleted the wafers, and get it on down the road.
The problem with these is the wafers wear out and get stuck. You can take the tumbler apart and you will see 1 or 2 stuck wafers sticking up, and you can remove those and be on your way for free (other than the cost of bolts to bolt the lock back up). Obviously less security, but most of these wear out on high mileage throwaway Hondas that people don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on for something so miniscule. And you still have the chip in the key so while someone could get your wheel turned easier, they still cant start the car.
My daughter's 25 year old Ford F150 had the same problem. To put a new lock cylinder in, you have to turn the key to "run" to take the old one out. What I did was spray a lot of WD40 in the cylinder (put carboard on the floor) and a bunch of metal dust came out (worn out, and the metal dust had jammed it). I then blew it out with compressed air. After that, the cylinder worked almost like it was new. I replaced it with a new cylinder, though, knowing it was worn out and would soon trash itself. Only took about 10 minutes for the whole job.
My only worry with the hammer and chisel would be the air bag. Only gotta happen once to make your life complete.
when I was still making car keys, (locksmith) I would just use a Dremel and cut a slot in the bolt head and use a standard screwdriver to remove it and then after the key was made I could screw it back in to reassemble the car.
I wish my 2013 dodge was as easy to program as this Honda, but it uses a fob with no key. I don't have one of those expensive scanners so I have to buy a flash programmer and use it to match the Vin and program. It costs 800 at the dealership and the flash programmers are about 60. That only works if you have one key still working. You don't wait till your last fob quites.
I have a Honda element. Had same problem. I took the ignition cylinder out disassembled it and removed the tumblers and put it back in. Now you can turn ignition with any key but only cranks with original. Fixed it for free
I had a car with the immo chip broken out of the key housing and taped to the reader/encoder unit with electricians tape and the whole "unit" shoved behind the dash.
Worked fine until one sunny day, when the heat made the tape let go and the damn immo chip fell down to the dark abyss that is the dashboard of a 2001 Skoda Felicia pickup. 😀 Not many of those over there in the US I guess. 🙂
Most shops would have sent that customer to the dealer for that miserable job.
Just use regular bolts for the new one.
"….. without hitting the wire harness, which is right up close to it, or the windshield, or my face…."
Eric, you should be aware this late in your career, your face is sacrificial.
Thanks Eric for the great video mate I enjoyed it, very interesting and informative my friend.
Keep Safe Keep Strong 🦘🦘🦘🦘🚗🚗
I wonder if you could use a tool for rounded head bolts?
Just found your channel I was a nissan tech for about 10 years before becoming a professional fighter and I gotta say your one hell of a tech brother learned alot just watching the last week of video's keep doing what you do 👍
What's your plan for the door locks? Is the Customer okay with carrying multiple keys?
Dear Eric… I'm constantly amazed by your general (and further!) electrical/electronic/computer skills, on top of what
the vast majority of general 'Mechanics' would know, or even think about!!!! I know that 'today' it is an integral part of
what you have to do/know, but you do it SO much better than those damn 'Parts Cannon' Dealers etc!!!!!
Not to mention you are also a wonderful & loving family man, as per your lovely interactions with your wife etc!!!!
This was very interesting Eric. thanks for the video. I would like to see you do this with a GM vehicle too so keep this in mind. Also did you program the key with your Autel?
Hey, don't forget to swap the faceplate before you mount the…oh, well, that works too. Another great video from SMA. Thanks for being so willing to share your knowledge. From a former locksmith, you can cut the head of that Hondu key apart, and inside is a small rectangular chip. That's what that encoder ring reads for the security system. You can pop that out and it's much easier to duct tape under your dash or the steering column cover if you want to permanently bypass that system.
What happens if you don’t shear the bolts off? Thinking it’s a safety mechanism.
Older Honda getting start fails? Might be key security failing. Get trouleshooting before total failure. When it dies its hard to admit because at first its intermittent. Had this happen on my 2007 Oddessy. I was told the security component of the OEM keys wears, preventing comms with the cars onboard security. Yup, the old OEM keys if old enough will slowly stop passing security checks eventually having complete ops failure. Indications are subtle and feel almost like the engine didn't turn over when the key was turned. Nope, worn OEM key will slowly stop working. When it does your up a brown creek no paddle. Tow for service OR onsite lock repairs. Mysteriously the lock repair guys stock parts and make mint off this. I payed north of 600$, electing for onsite service. No AAA so was saving tow charge. Either choice your screwed. Honda has weird qwirks like this that as the car ages kinda pop up like money sucking gremlins. Oh, n death of my < 2007 Oddy? Crappy 3 shaft light duty tranny mated to a hefty 3.5 VTEC and all that family metal to push around. Weakest link dies first. Complete no warning failure on Christmas eve, friends bailed me out with a tow. Some use an inline trans filter but you have to be mechanical to change it otherwise it plugs and thats bad too.
Need a baby air hammer and mini chisel for this job 🤣
Great job as always
Hi, Mr. O. I never enjoyed working on the dash. So it was great to watch you do it. I never had to program a key so that was interesting. Thanks for sharing! Stay Healthy!
Great job!!
I’ve used chisels on every single one of those so you did it perfectly 🙂 Been working on and specializing in Hondas for 13 yrs. Always more than one way to skin a cat😏
Well done and thanks.I have a 2003 Honda Civic (Accord on your side of the pond) and it has the same security system as that one your working on. It's been a very reliable car to me.
I've had some luck with this issue by spraying the key and cylinder with Fluid Film, then giving it the old "pump and wiggle" routine. 50% of the time it works every time!
But I thought Hondas run forever and never break.?
What about the door locks? Can you use new keys or do you have to keep old keys
A judo chop would have got 'er started.. 🤣
Really don't need to see, just listening and I can see!
Something I do (subject to avaliable room) is use one of those spring loaded centre punches with the same plan of attack
rocket surgery <3 😀
Aluminum foil! Who knew?
I've never liked Honda.
could you substitute the bolts for bolts that do not break off in case it does not last
Go to the nearest juvenile detention center and borrow one of the darker residents, they'll have that apart in 2 seconds flat.
"Oh, now you are being submissive" bet Mrs O doesn't fall for that line🤣
I've changed the ignition lock on an old b.m.w, the hammer and chisel had it's evil way 😀
I know this question probably has no answer, but.. WHY? Why would the engineers design the bolts to not be removed with standard tools? Do they think that somebody is going to see a car they want to steal, go buy the appropriate lock cylinder, gain access into the car, install the new cylinder AND program the safety mechanism so that it works in order to steal the vehicle? I think that there might be easier ways to go about it.
I assume the point of shear bolts would be to to ensure that the fasteners are tightened to the proper torque at which point they shear off, but why is the application so much more important than anything else? Why can't they just provide the inch/pound requirement like 99% of other applications?
Captain caveman to the rescue
Retired 40 year dealer tech here. The tumblers for these sidewinder keys have only tiny spurs on them to ride on the cut surface of the key. As the tip of the key gets excessively worn from not being inserted straight the tumbler spur gets worn off until it no longer is lifted by the key and so you can't turn the cylinder. If you get a new (aftermarket I think) T5 key blank cut to the original key code, it will likely catch the tumbler and allow you to turn the key and then remove the lock cylinder without removing the entire lock assembly. The T5 blank has a re-writable chip and so it can be cloned to the original transponder key and the car will accept it without any programming and you will still have a key that will work in all the locks. At that point you can disassemble the cylinder and replace any worn tumblers (from a kit) and lube it well with the super-light grease made for that purpose. Same goes for replacing the whole cylinder, just recode it to the original cut. Since it was almost always the first tumbler that was damaged, I always just left that one out so that the key was more aligned in the slot before it reached the second tumbler. If the tip of your sidewinder key is getting rounded off on the cuts, consider getting it replaced with a T5 before you get to that stage and always insert the key in line with the slot. T5s are also great for adding extra keys without programming, the car just thinks they are all the same key.
You stole that care likes it's hot.😆
Gravy!
The new keys will not operate the door locks. If this job was done CORRECTLY… you would have to remove outer door locks. Back hatch lock. And have the lock cylinders serviced to match the new keys….
Now he has a car with different key for the doors and the ignition. He should’ve taken it to a locksmith and they could rebuild the tumblers keeping the original key and programming
simple rules are there for a reason ,,right is tight is standard for most bolts and screws ,,,yes there are some exceptions ,,,why program the keys when you can just swap the chips over ,and then reset them in car not rocket science ,,,
Does lock lube help? Graphite powder or some other dry lube perhaps. Excellent vid as always 🙂
PSA. as per owners manual of every hondoo I've seen from the 80's to near this year reccomend you grease your locks with white lithium grease.
So this doesn't happen.
I repaired and old BMW that some one has screwed up the ignition I just traded the chip in the keys
I like using automatic spring loaded center punches for shear bolts
Nice trick thin foil thanks😁
Does anyone really believe those shear bolts vs regular bolts have ever stopped a car thief?!?!?!?!?!
My brother ask me if I knew of a good honest mechanic and I told him that Eric at SMA has a really good reputation and he got all excited until I told him that you are located at Avoca, New York. We live in the pacific northwest region. 😅
Great video Eric ! Stay safe !
Mayhew is the name, when controlled mayhem is your game.
Could you just swap the keyfob casing/key shell onto the new blade and call it a day? I've seen plenty of replacement shells for sale.
I truly enjoy your videos. Can't tell you how many times my kiddo wants to know what the heck I'm laughing at 🤣… Thanks for the sense of humor… and of course the skills you share.
or leave the nuts on…..
I think I would have been tempted, if possible, to make all the electrical connections to the new part before removing the old one and test everything at that point just in case there was a solenoid or something that wasn't being activated for some reason.
And kids, unless you have nerves of steel and lots of patience (and great eyesight) do not take that mech apart. Ask me how I know. I was successful in fixing mine but I used to service ladies mechanical wrist watches a long time ago so I was cheating. And BTW, it is sill working a year later.