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Hello Everybody! Good day to you! Welcome back! Uh, this is going to be a real short, just kind of quick follow-up video. Um, due to the response of yesterday's video and I want to talk about that right there? that scoop that everyone thinks I'm going to suck up a bunch of water in? Let's just let's talk about that real quick. Um, if you missed the video on the installation of this or the the Banks intake system on my 66 Duramax Uh, just check the links inside of this video's description or the one up here, or the one at the very end right here in the middle. It'll take you back in time to the full length feature.
So anyway, I put an intake on this truck and it came with this, uh, this kind of cold air intake. Now the issue. The reason this thing is so exposed is because I do not have a factory bumper on this truck. The factory bumper sits down about yay far or so and it doesn't really expose.
uh, this, uh, this intake right here. But folks seem to think that I'm gonna suck up a bunch of water and hydro lock my engine and that would be bad. So let's go ahead and just kind of measure this right now. So where are we at? We're about uh, we're like 11 inches so we're gonna need 12 to submerge this.
We're gonna need 14 inches of standing water to submerge this in order for this thing to suck up, uh, water and pull it into the engine to hydrolock it. Now for a bit of perspective, 14 inches is almost up to the doors. so I would have to be driving through uh, seriously flooded roads in order to endanger this engine of Hydra locking now. Furthermore, if I were driving along and I Splash into a puddle and shoot a bunch of water up, sure it could get some in there, but if you look on the back side, it's also vented.
so if I do manage to get a bunch of water into this, it's going to drain out and go that way long before it goes up and get sucked into the engine up top. So I really do not see the danger I see plenty of benefit. Um, Additionally, if I did plan on driving through two feet of water, then I could just take this off. You know it wouldn't be that hard.
so it's really for for Highway use and for for light off-road use meaning just driving not on the road. I Don't think that that thing's going to be a problem. So I hope that kind of clears up the situation. Uh, and the debate.
That kind of flared up after that installation. So again, let me know what you guys think about this in the comment section below and again, if you missed it, just go back and watch the full length video and uh, and you'll see what we're talking about here. So thanks for watching. See you guys later! Have a great day! Duramax Out.
I like the back vent. Should solve most standard fl rain/floods
Wow – you should make a 2 minute video welding something and see which one generates more debate.
The scoop is fine people. Banks has sold a lot of these things and I am pretty sure there have been very few issues.
12" deep and no waves?
The airbox has a 6" x 6" inlet on its side facing the fender. The Super Scoop that hangs down low is only a supplemental inlet. Ray can drive through water up to the bottom of the airbox and no water will get sucked into the filter because there will never be enough suction thanks to the large main air inlet.
Rationalising the position of that intake in relation to the risk of excessive dust, roadheat and water does not neutralise that that is a seriously bad intake modification. Sure hope you don't get to regret it down the line. One trip on a South African dirt road will have the air cleaner choking on dust, not to mention one river crossing that will have you stranded in the bush, scrambling for your satellite phone for a rescue that will not include the truck. Love your channel. Hope you don't regret this mod.
You need to fit new tires, Ray!
Just a tad bit of uneven wear on that passenger side tire Ray.
Vents are good
you are vacuum cleaning the street, your air filter will suck more dust and whatever from the road, get that thing out right now.
Banks does tons of studies before he sells any of his products and he's the best out there
That’s a bad idea. Snorkel or death.
ON FORDS TOO.
SPLASHING WATER RAY! IVE SEEN IT HAPPEN BENT VALVES.
Love your videos, but you need new tires, those are verging on bald.
Ray, what's up with those tires buddy?
All it takes is once. I went and visited my high school buddy and we went "city off roading" in his old 4wd flat 4 subaru. We were cruising along a dirt trail and boom, muddy water all over the windshield and motor died. Holly crap, we were in a deep water puddle over a foot deep. Car was hydro locked. Had it pulled out and took out the plugs to drain the water. Stared it back up and went home. But it didn't go for many more miles. On the highway a rod gave out and destroyed the block. My buddy ignored warnings to have it checked out. Hitting water at 10 plus MPH will NOT go out the back hole fast enough. Water will shoot in all directions including blasting up to the intake. And the faster you hit water the worse the fire hose effect. I will never put an intake low like that. Ever. Oh, and my buddy had the factory intake. No modification. Just goes to show there is deep water somewhere after most every rain. He hit a flooded dip in the trail. I 70 in my area is a massive dip in the road. And it has flooded and hyrolocked fleets of vehicales in hard rains and clogged drains.
Install one of these on the next PT Cruiser you work on just for fun. Sit back and watch everyone lose their mind.
What, you're not driving in foot deep water all the time? Im pretty sure you wouldn't be driving much or far in water that deep with all the stranded/flooded cars blocking your way.
its a venura inyate u could do that in the hood as well
Ah, there's you problem….it's not really "ram air". Not my truck and not a modification I'd have done, so to each his own. Having once lived a south Louisiana and experiencing my share of storms, sometimes you find yourself in water deeper than you planned.
Wish you the best and love the content!
Oh Ray. You should remove that at once. Let the inner redneck win. Get some flex gutter pipe and route that thing right into the cab, so you can get air conditioned cold air intake as well as easy ether spray access.
You may not hydro-lock but you may hydro-plane. Better check those tires.
Hey Ray, this does not seem to be "Ram Air" by any means at all. If air can flow through the scoop, if anything it will be trying to cause a vacuum as air rushes straight through the "scoop". I honestly do not see how pulling hot air off the pavement along with everything kicked up from cars in front of you is of any benefit. Banks makes some really nice stuff, but this one has me scratching my head wondering what they were thinking.
Maybe you don't understand how a vacuum works or have considered the splash from road spray.
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Actually my concern was the tire pushing an arc splash of water from the tire moving up and forward.
That could stuff the rear side, ports or holes of that air column full of water.
It's not water moving backwards from the front that I'm talking about.
Go ahead and watch a vehicle hit a puddle hard, and watch how the tire splashes water forward.
I had a van that was just the right/wrong hight, and if I hit enough water fast enough it would push it forward, catch the air and bumper, and the water would rise enough to completely cover my windshield.
This was slower speeds and dangerous. Not like I ever wanted.
I guess I should say.
I enjoy puddles.
In the good ones.
If your in front of my van by about a hundred feet watching.
You'll see the water splashing to the sides and my van will disappear behind a wall of water. Kind of like my 85', 23' twin engine, cigarette type, 70 mph, wet and wild play thing. Name not included.
Unless my headlights are on. Then you'll see those.
Especially at night as they light up the wall of water.
By the way.
That wall of water that hides the front of my van.
Is almost all from my tires pushing the water forward and up.
And this is the water action I'm concerned will fill you cool air column. Stuffing it.
Dream on. the scoop is a liability
The manufacture has thought this issue out very well. It is hidden behind the bumper. Also the opening at the elbow will allow water drainage under normal driving conditions.
Snorkel or a 6" lift.
You also will suck up hot pavement air. I think it’s a bad idea all around.
For sure engine bays are hot and that does reduce the air density and available power. An outside air intake does make a difference. And its not like one will drive blindly into deep water without a thought or even knowing it was there. Water is a serious hazard to the whole vehicle not just the engine. Snorkels are a major pain to fit you have to make holes all over your vehicle; get one hole wrong and you are in a world of pain. Snorkels add so much length and consequent air flow resistance in the intake that they reduce power not increase it.
I don't think I'd want one of these snorkels. 14" of water isn't unheard of if there's any chance of you going off road or if you live where floods can happen so it seems like an unnecessary risk for a small gain. Having the intake down low sucking up all the dirt kicked up from the cars ahead isn't my idea of an improvement either. I watched a video on YT of a guy with a sporty stock turbo Mercedes who hydro locked his engine just driving down the highway in a rainstorm and hit a big puddle. The intake was much than this too.
Well with the vents in the back that scoop isn't generating any positive pressure anyways. Besides My first generation ZX12R doesn't create enough positive pressure with its factory engineered scoop until it hits about 180mph to actually gain any power and it likely has the best engineered scoop on a sport bike ever made.
Might as well just cut off the scoop and about another 4" of riser on top of that. It will still be pulling the sane temperature air from outside the engine compartment with a much lower risk of water intrusion.
Did Banks by chance put a hole upstream of that scoop to prevent enough negative pressure in the scoop to suck up large quantities of water? That wouldn't be a bad idea either.
There is also a product on the market that installs between the air filter and emgine that will open up under lots of negative pressure (I.E. air filter submerged in water) to prevent water ingestion. Probably won't work on turbocharged engines though. I can see it opening up under high boost conditions when the air filter has just a little restriction.
The net over the actual air filter is a hydro sheild that repels water, not water proof..
Also the scoop should be behind the bumper and Banks would have this in its calculations.. behind the bumper would be the same type of installation as some car manufacturers.. thus protecting from ingress from water splashes etc.. especially from water along the edge of a road.
Perhaps Ray should contact Banks re the installation and see what they say.. and if they have done internal testing re similar installations
I think it will be fine for where this truck is used. If there were any doubts a couple of 1/2 inch holes higher up toward the air box would solve the problem. In my case it wouldn't be a good idea because my driveway is a creek bed and I rutinely drive through water up to the bottom of the doors. I've learned living up here to redirect the vents for the differintials and transfer case to a higher location as well.
I think that I’d prefer the air scoop higher. You have to make your own decision on how you want it. Up here in Canada that would freeze up the first snowstorm. Down in Florida I don’t think that it would be an issue.
There are times when your area floods. You might be FORCED to drive it in 14 inches or more of water, you might not have a choice due to circumstances. You might need to escape a dire situation….
dont think your turbo creates enough vaccum to pull water up your intake thru your filter and into your motor
I thought the same thing. Good thing you don't get storms there in Florida.
Guys here install snorkels on their trucks so they can drive through streams. You installed a straw.
I was trying to think of a way you could test it without immersing it in water, or a bucket of water. Don't want to suck up water accidentally.
then I thought could you just wrap that intake with a bag and tape it shut? then try and start the truck?
If water can pass thru than air will pass thru so why do they call this a “ ram air”— me no savvy.
Is there not a hole in the intake box next to the fender? if there is it won't suck water up the snorkel, all the best to you and your loved ones
No your asking for it, remember if it can go wrong it often will
Better safe than sorry in my opinion
Yeah nah, not a fan. Looking for trouble. A snorkel will give you fresh clean air without the risk of a gut full of water. Sorry Ray but that system is a fail 😞
Why not just run a snorkel?
That scoop is pig ugly and of absolutely zero benefit , plus opens up the danger water ingress , i'd throw it in the trash
Seen it before , Disaster waiting to happen , those low cool intake should be banned, you will pick up water regardless , as you well know ANY water in the enginine is bad news . but your call you have been warned by the many !
I have had to drive through deep water on very few occasions but I don’t think I would have wanted to pull the intake before doing it on any of those days. As long as you don’t do “I think I can make it..”. “💨… nope, guess I was wrong..” it’s all good
It's your truck. Do it your way. I also think it clear that your rig is not an offroader. It's a tow rig that can when needed run gravel roads. You do live in Florida though and that intake fits my state AZ way better. Florida is flood central.
Having just watched the installation vid. There is a reason air filters are high level and off road ones even higher.. and in some cases rear facing..
Heck even across the pond here in Ireland, we are getting lots more floods, sometimes from lazy councils not clearing the drains of leaves..
But even say a splash from a passing vehicle would submerge that duct, and with enough draw from the engine would suck up a lot of wet stuff.. is it worth the risk? Does Banks not have exterior high level A pillar air filters. Which IMO would be cooler looking
Edit: I suppose no more driving the jeep in the garden during a hurricane.. wait was it the gator..
The intake is a big vacuum cleaner intake, you will hurt the engine any day it's rains. I don't like this setup. If you put it upside down it will work.
The unit probably works great for a city truck that will never go off road.
I don't care what you say. I would be concerned about it. Why don't you cut it off where it's up a little bit higher or I don't know but I think anytime moving air and takes down low to the front of the car is never a good idea I also agree with another commenter. If you're going to do a custom intake, why not do a snorkel? It'll never be a problem and it'll be cold intake
nice slicks on the front…not sure if that makes it go faster or what
Forgive my ignorance what is this contraption supposed to do for performance? Why is lower better? is the summer temperature a foot off the asphalt any different than the front of the engine bay? old race cars had hood scoops but I've never seen one drop down before, maybe I'm just old and clueless.
I didn't even know such air intakes existed. Seems weird but as long as you don't fully submerge it I guess it's fine?
I was worried about it in the last video until i saw the holes in the back, in the last video. Honestly id run something higher like a snorkel, but thats mostly because id be doing dumb shit like i did in the army, creeks rivers and all.
Wouldn't the vents at the back also cause a ventura affect ?
I would lose the POS intake right NOW! That is so NO. One flash flood and a dip in the road………. nonono Been in those and it happens in seconds.
sorry bro, makes no sense no matter which way you spin it
Not really "ram" air with the big vent in the back, and down so close to the pavement, in Florida, summertime…that's going to be some pretty warm/hot air going into that cold-air intake.
Ray, I'm not much of a truck expert. I drive the same—-ish truck as you.. I got a 2001 Silverado 1500, probably close to the same color to yours as well (Storm Gray), you know.. the older baby brother to yours. But I think the issue with such a low air intake isn't the random puddle that you drive through. It's the standing water that can happen after a hurricane, which ya'll down in Florida get allot and your truck could take 18 inches before even reaching the door lines, should you need to go out and pick up FEMA Supplies or Red Cross supplies. We wouldn't want your Dirtymax to get harmed. And with that said, I'm also in the boat of Snorkel, not neccessarily for off road reasons but for Geographical natural disaster reasons.
What was wrong with the factory cold air intake system ?
I mean, I get and 2nd many of the concerns. But it's your truck. You want it, you got it. Nobody has the right to second guess you.
I think that you are being a bit under whelmed. The danger is real, if you do not think about it. Florida is attacked by hurricanes. You could very easily need to go somewhere in an emergency and not have time to remove or even think about the very real possibility of sucking up the water. You will need to think about it. I hope you do in time. We all love your videos and do not wish to see you stranded with an engine to tear down because of a moments forgetfulness.
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Water maybe but dust from the wheels and the road definitely
Not my truck, but personally I wouldn't be comfortable with that. The moment those vents get. Blocked by water it would be like a straw effect sucking up water. In a big storm it's the last thing I'd want to think about. To each their own though.
Ummm also pretty sure there was a hole in the lower air box that goes into the fender which would never allow enough vacuum to suck up any water lol banks did there research and design things with alot in mind.. if it was a ebay china kit it would probably be a problem
Lol who are these fans that nit pick like this… Do your thang bro
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sorkel! snorkel we want snorkel it is way cooler.
if you are in Florida on a sunny day you won't find much cold air a foot off hot tar you would be better off higher up above hood
I hydrolocked my car once…didn't much care for it. Always made sure to just use the key from that point forward…
Either way still don't see why the cold air intake has to be so low. What happens on a really stinking hot day in Florida. The heat off the road wouldn't be good to draw up into the intake.
A solenoid actuated flap door that seals off the front of the scoop for rainy days…JS
Having ram air from the ground is bad
1 you Will get heat from the road.
2 air is very dirty low hence LandCruiser has raised air intake not a snorkel.
3 around town that's the car exhaust goes
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You are taking a hell of a chance with that reverse snorkle as you do live in a state that gets about 13 hurricanes worth of rain each year…not including the hurricanes Florida gets. I believe you are going to regret your breather choice.
Looks like there is an alignment issue there. That LF has got some serious wear on the outside tread.
Has this intake been proven to add horsepower??? Any dyno testing???
I don’t think it’s a good idea…..🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
My fist thought when seeing it was that it was an anit-snorkel, but you’re right that it’ll be fine. You’d need quite a few more mods to take this truck on the kinds of trails where you’d be in that much water.
8 inches of water can produce a pressure wave that can exceed your 12 inches of clearance..
No it’s way too low , a snorkel is a better option for your vehicle .
How about some tires Ray……every one knows the mechanics vehicles are always last.
Poor design …End of debate. redirect. reciprocate the filter to have intake from the hood…yes it is called mod's DVD:)
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It's still a bad choice and still gives unnecessary risk, especially in Florida, with yearly floods.
You should install a snorkel. Every second truck here in Australia has them, allowing you to drive through everything.
The volant intake box we have on our tahoe has a air scoop that sucks in via front grill area.
I've driven in rainy days even on the freeway. I do get water droplets in the air box but not enough to over soak the air filter.
Now cars with "cold air" intakes where the filter is near the front bumper. That's a different story, my cousin hydrolock his civic cause his intake tube and filter was near the front bumper.
So Ray their isn't any chance of you getting that much water up the ram scoop since itll drain back out the back.
Y'all peeps need to chill out with the snorkel thing he's not mudding in it or rescuing people from floods BUT that being said the lower intake tube yea bad idea too risky I'd try something else
I would move it
I think your bigger worry right now if you're going to be driving in the rain is maybe some new tires on the front 😀
need some new tires on the Dura. that would fail inspection lol jk
So no river crossings for Ray bummer.
Air going to be sucked in from anywhere it can on a turbo. Should be more concerned about the cooling capacity of the intercooler since you're asking for all that warm asphalt heat from the underside of the truck 🤣🤣
I would only be concerned during flood season if it gets really deep around your home or in the area.