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In this video I have a look at a guys 2009 Suzuki SX4 with the engine light on with EVAP leak codes. The problem with these Suzuki's can be getting parts for them. That is exactly what we run into...
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Foreign interviewers. Welcome back to the self-made Channel Working on the 2009 it's a Suzuki it's the SX4 Uh, it's got the big 2-0 in it. It's got 100 and some odd thousand miles on it and the money lights on! Got the scan tool plugged in, got that baby booting up hoods up vehicles on the left and I'm pretty sure it's got an EVAP leak because I have an abnormally large nose and I can smell it. Something smells like gas fumes in here, so that's what I'm guessing.

So let's have a look and see what we can find. Okay, she's done scanning here and we have my big Schnoz. Doesn't lie, 456 so a small eBay very small. you bet I tell you it smells very big because the car stinks stinks like gas I could smell gas when I got in it.

a bunch of History codes and then the immobilizer keyless system has a Po456. Sometimes aftermarket scan tools I need Suzuki Is this pretty hit or miss? So let's see here. what do we have for active tests? Okay, we can open and close the vent valve purge valve. Okay I think these are similar to GM Let's hop into some live data I don't know what we have as far as like fuel tank pressure.

We have pump cut tank level Okay, let's uh I don't know what acronyms and stuff they use. Let's try evap. uh vent valve duty cycle Okay I wonder what they use for pressure sensing? You may have to just go through them here. That fuel tank level leak check pump.

We might have to look to see how this thing works, but with a purging event I would assume we would have some sort of pressure sensor. it may not be displayed in in this data on this tool. Okay, at any rate, let's go back into our active tests. Let's go for our event velvet to see if we hear it I Guess first and foremost, uh see Mike the wheels do all that stuff Okay check To be okay, we gotta have it running.

Maybe I should have read the fine print. uh apply Parking brake block Wheels Check Safety Fuel pump Vehicle stopped Engine stopped Diagnostic code currently faulty but not confirmed. Okay, so let's uh, pop back out of here and clear the code 456. everybody remember that.

let's go back to active tests that valve execute I Think I hear some clicking behind me. It's hard to tell. Yeah I think I hear something clicking back there. but I can't tell for sure.

Okay, well appears that we have the ability to control it. Okay I hear that I can hear that We can hear the purge solenoid. Hopefully you guys can. Usually you can hear me breathing for some odd reason.

Okay, so we can hear the purge, so that's good that we need to confirm and then just find out where our leak is. I Guess Easy peasy. Take a quick two under the hood here. try not to fiddle with stuff, be be not tempted touch everything, gas caps and stuff like that.

So I See, we've got two lines coming up here. Looks like this. This here looks like probably the fuel line SS that's the fuel. So I'm assuming this one is evap and then it goes down and around.

Must be the purge valve. must be on the back of the intake here or something. Yeah, it feels like it goes up here somewheres to a purge valve. Okay, let's go have a gander underneath, see how rotted this car is and we'll kind of take it from there.

It's not gonna fall on this right? I Don't think so. let's see where did our lines come through there. Okay so our lines come here. It's classic.

uh, connection there. All right. let's go back. Looks like metal tank.

usually these Suzukis are lost cause because you can't get any parts for them anyways so doesn't really matter. What do we have back here? Is that a some kind of leak detection pump? Let's have a look. Maybe it's not a purging seal type system. that's why we don't have a pressure sensor.

Yes, we've got a lot of wires running into this. Um, oops sorry sorry about that though. I mean to hit you and then that comes up. What we have here.

Okay, so it must be the fresh air side. This must be the filter. I'm not getting big whiffs of gas under here. of course we can see some wet staining there on the Miller neck.

See if I can set the light down here and it looks just like let's just paint peeling off. See if this smells like gas and Flex Seal or something that smell like gas. Oh yeah, that reeks like gas. Okay, that you stink.

Yeah, this is just this painting or some kind of stuff they've cobbled on there. Yeah, that reeks like gas. Of course we can see gas staining here. Looks like they might have a big Roth hole through that filler neck, so look at that here.

Like I said, these cars are almost a lost cause to work on. I Haven't been able to get parts for Suzuki's and many of moons. Oops. I Don't have to use the stranger here.

hold on. Maybe there's some huge pimples right there. Yeah, it really reeks like gas right here. big time.

Okay, that's something worthy to note. Anyways, it's really really rotted out there. I Don't feel my pick dropping straight through it anyways. but okay, so we'll keep that in mind.

Let's see how the Evac system on this thing works, but it looks like it's definitely going to need a filler neck. I Think somebody already knows about that, but yeah, that's really stinky. Let's see how this thing works and see if we can't put the Avoca smoker on it. Yeah, I'm glad you're looking pretty gross there, You know, no quick connects are coming undone.

I'll tell you that and then that Purge because we're gonna have to get to it in order to smoke it. Let me see if I can find it here for us. So I thought before we looked I would come back here and listen. so let's have a listen.

I'm going to turn this on and off. Foreign. You can hear a mechanism in there moving so that's good now. I'm going to take a look just to see what it uses for leak detection.

Looking at service data here, it appears to have a leak detection pump back there inside the canister. so we're gonna have a couple wires that go to the electric motor the actual vacuum pump back there. It allows it to run an EVAP test with the key off. Basically is what these systems do.

We're going to have another couple wires going to a vent valve, so that should be a standard valve to, you know, seal off the system like we think we're going to have three wires going back to a pressure sensor back there. So the system does have a pressure sensor, but we didn't see it on scan data. But I'm looking through service data and it's kind of interesting. It appears that perhaps it'll be listed under barometric pressure.

So typically a car most automakers you know, key on engine off. They'll do a comparison for some redundancy. they'll look at the map sensor. you know a boost sensor.

Some of them like Hondas have a a barrel pressure sensor built into the ECM Well, it looks like this one, perhaps unless I'm reading it wrong uses the fuel tank pressure sensor vented to Atmosphere to detect barometric pressure. Now whether or not it uses that for a fueling strategy, you know, maybe it uses some redundancy from looking at the map sensor. Also I don't know that for a fact, but that's what it looked like here that it was using the pressure sensor back there to check barometric pressure. Yeah, here we go.

Uh, evap leak check pressure sensor voltage output for initial barometric pressure and then it gives it here. So I don't know how if in the scan tool because right here it looks like it would be about three and a half volts of of atmospheric pressure from zero to two thousand feet is you know, rough average of 3.5 volts. And that's about where we're at here. We're just about 2 000 feet of elevation just under.

so that's what I would expect to see so we can look at our barometric pressure. perhaps? but what I think we just need to do is sealed off. I Think we're gonna find an actual leak and perhaps not a failed uh evap pump. But if we seal the system off and we don't find a leak, then we're going to have to investigate it further.

Is the leak detection pump itself functioning? I Assume it is. It has the ability to check for a very small leak. So I'm assuming it's functioning I'm assuming the pressure sensor back there is working. Some of their terminology is pretty interesting.

Uh, it says to connect the spherical pneumatic plastic bag with the approximate diameter the volume of a sphere of one liter. That's a fancy terminology for hook up a balloon. Thank you. Okay, that's the purge valve right there.

Okay, I can see it actually. Um, but I tell you what. It might be easier to unhook the hose right here. Let's take that clamp off.

Let me get a different pair of pliers. We can slide that hose off and we'll be. Then we'll be in good shape. Come on baby.

There we go. So that hoses off. I Guess I can leave that now. we'll take the clamp off like clamp off instead of there.

So this here we're going to hook up the Avoca smoker right there. Come on baby. there we go. I think that's in Far Enough Negative Positive: Let's get an air hose that's gurgling away.

We should be making smoke. I'm gonna let it kind of fill up the system. We see it rolling Puffs back there we will seal it off. so she's rolling smoke back here.

Pretty good. I'm not certain that the vent valve is closing, so I want to be sure that I am. So we're going to unhook fresh air side of it here where it vents to the atmosphere. Make sure there's no smoke coming out of this or if there is, we can at least tell if the vet Billet is functioning.

These things can be a real pain to get unhooked. Got to get the latches to trip here. There we go. Okay, we've got a lot of smoke coming out of that.

Let me grab my scan tool. Hopefully you guys can see it shouldn't be any smoke coming out of here because I have the valve closed so we can see there's smoke. I'm going to open it so now you can see it flowing really fast. I'm going to close it and the flow is reduced but not stopped.

So that's one problem. Um, let's see. Let me see if I can dim my light, perhaps you guys can get a better view of that I Just want to see if you can see the intensity change here. Let's go like that.

Okay, so you see the smoke coming out of it right now. the vent valve is technically closed I'm going to open it and there I Just opened it so you see how it increases with intensity and I'm going to close it. but we can see that we still have smoke leaking past our belt. so we know we have a bad canister vent valve so that's a problem.

Let's plug this off. I'll get a rubber cap or something, we'll plug that off, and then we'll see if there's a leak anywhere else. The smoke machine just shut off. so that's why you're seeing that.

You know, stop smoking out. but let me get something to plug that off with smoke machines Back on. Got my little selection of rubber caps here. see if we can find one First try.

Oh yeah, first try. look at that. Now we're going to let the system fill up with smoke. Clear some of this out of here and see if there's any other leak in the system.

You know, before we tell the lady, hey, you need a vent valve, that's Obsolete and everything's rotted. Can't change it anyways. But before we do that, let's see if there's any other leaks foreign like swiss cheese. Man put that baby back where it was I Think before we even go any further, let's just check for parts availability for this thing.

make it a little bit lubier there. Beautiful. all right folks. Time to be a jerk.

Fuel filler neck obsolete from Suzuki I Give him a call with the VIN and got the OEM part number for it for this car. Did some Google searching you can find Suzuki SX4 fuel filler next but I couldn't find the exact part number that this car requires at least easily. I did find like you know it brings up the generic searches like you know Suzuki Parts Warehouse whatever in stock. you know that exact number you call them.

and of course it's the same thing they're ordering from the same warehouses that our Suzuki dealer is, so of course you know they're obsolete. Can't get it? Uh, you go on the flea. Bay they have Suzuki SX4 fuel filler necks, but not the same part number that we need for this car for the vent. So I'm not going to go down this whole Rabbit Hole of order and all these fuel filter necks off the internet, paying shipping to send them back.

They're all wrong. It's it's not something I can get involved with as a business owner. the Evap canister is readily available. that's you know you can get that aftermarket.

The things that I see that are going to cause problems though are the bracket that holds the canister on. You know I can just poke my finger through it, you just touch it. The thing crumbles so it's going to need a new one of those and that's what holds the whole canister up in there. So if we told this person like yeah, we can change the canister as soon as we take that off, you know besides all the bolts are going to break off in the body, that whole bracket's going to crumble and then what do you have? You're way worse shape than when the thing rolled in I Hate saying it, but something like this I would just you know, wash my hands of walk away from I don't want to deal with it I've dealt with older Suzuki's and Evap systems and all the parts are always obsolete.

You get one you think is right and it's kind of right, but it's mostly wrong. So like I say from a business owner's perspective I've just got to wash my hands of it and say Here's what you need. You need a canister and you need a fuel filler neck and then explain to them the potential problems that will arise and that's all I know you guys are going to think I'm a jerk for doing that, but I'm like Kenny and the Gambler I know when to hold them and I know when to fold them. So I'm going to fold them and that's it.

So you guys fold up some paper and throw it away and then go in that comment section, leave a question a comment concern, find us on insty the Facebook you guys know what to do, just remember viewers but I can do it. You can do it mostly. I didn't really do much, but hey, you get the idea. Thanks for watching.

100 thoughts on “Old rusty discontinued cars obsolete parts”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chris R says:

    I was, as someone living where there is no inspection required, thinking they should just drive it as. Then it hit, that car would fail NY inspection, but someone in Ohio or the many other states with no inspection could just keep on a rolling down the road.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Joshua Pruden says:

    Good save at the end with the "fold the paper and throw it away". I was wondering how you were going to end that lol.Had me laughing! Still a great video. Love the Avoca Smoka videos.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dan Lemke says:

    Hey Kenny, ya can't win'em all. And as a professional shop, you cannot afford to jury rig it like someone already tried to do? Gas and just about nothin go together for those kinds of patches, but maybe some fly by niter can fix it with flex seal or some such rot, and fabricate a bracket. You know, other shop's quality fixes. Some lot will get it, and sell it to some other poor sap, and they will find someone to fabricobble something that resembles a filler neck out of a box of aluminum foil or what's handy layin around.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Andy Saunders says:

    Thankless task.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Andy Saunders says:

    Planned obsolescence.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars glen Decuir says:


  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars mick tepolt says:

    i just don't know any more, but good luck

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jeffrey Wilson says:

    I grew up in IL and worked on plenty of cars that were a thousand pounds of rust on wheels. Now I live in AZ, and cars stay rust-free for decades! I watch every video you put out. You're definitely not a jerk. I understand your decision on this one, and I completely respect that you're willing to be straight with the owner! I watch your videos for 2 reasons; your knowledge and your integrity! Thank you for all of the great content, Eric!

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Posh panda says:

    how many work there, beside the girls….
    (they love rust at the steel plant)
    You can have a Discovery show, far better than Moonshiners and Gold Rush.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Steve Perrett says:

    yes shame its rusted out

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Awesomesauce says:

    On to the next one brother

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Paul Tribbey says:

    Totally abide

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ToughAncientSpark says:

    Folding was the right call. I think the owner is from Egypt, they're in De Nile.
    It's wishful thinking that this thing will continue to drive on The Great Industrial Northeast roads for much longer.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ToughAncientSpark says:

    My father was a big fan of using electrical tape to fix everything, maybe that would've worked?

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars granitecowboy2199 says:

    I can definitely understand not wanting to get sucked into the mire of used auto parts. It's a dark and slimy world.. LOL I would tell the customer that due to parts availability. I can't go any further on their vehicle. LIke you did, I would tell them what they need, including any part numbers I have.

    I would tell them though, that if they can source the parts, I would be happy to install them for them. However I noticed a few comments below of some really great non-factory repair ideas that you might pass on to the customer.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ToughAncientSpark says:

    You must have Italian heritage, my daughter makes fun of me for being able to smell out mold and mildew that no one else can and I'm half Italian.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars David Sawyer says:

    I had no idea that Suzuki automobiles was still in existence. They are in fact very much so.
    Looks like your customer is going to need to brush up on a few foreign languages to successfully find the necessary parts.
    That crazy duo from downunder use a interpreter/broker. Essentially an English speaker that knows the ins and outs of the Japanese auto scene. That might be a place to start. "Hello? Is this Japan?"
    I use to work on various pieces of equipment. Sometimes the parts are no longer available. The customer would be disappointed but understood. Some understood a little to well. "Can't you just take this new existing part and make it work?" No. No I cannot. I lost customers because I'm not a hack.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Justa Hasbeen says:

    My current daily driver is 14 years old but only has 80k miles. Problem is, it wasn't a hugely popular car and only had a run of 6 years. Getting parts, even basic maintenance parts, is a challenge at best.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars fmsteve1222 says:

    time for the crusher anyway, it'll be a pile of rust and dust in 2-3 more years anyway if it's a PRNY daily driven

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Charlie's Corner says:

    I do the same thing as a business owner, it’s not cost effective on any level when parts are not available and the time to locate some parts doesn’t equal the repair cost. I’ve come across this same issue with early year Kia rios so from my perspective you made the right choice on this one.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars onenikkione says:

    "You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away, and know when to run" K. Rodgers

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Toad Phillips says:

    I had a problem finding a part for my old ford probe, couldn't find it anywhere finally found one off an old mazda truck at the junkyard.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bismarck San Diego says:

    reaching really hard with folding up paper lmfao

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Neubauerp says:

    ive run into this same problem with my car, a 27 year old mazda. of course, i dont live in a rust epicentrum like the PRNY, but we do have a fair share of salt in the winter.
    filler neck was crumbling even if you just looked at it funny, no OEM replacement, no aftermarket replacement, all second hand units just about as bad as my original one.
    it was time to bend pipes and fire up the mig.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Steve Elkins says:

    When I was a kid, my first car was always kept going with used parts from scrap yards. You learn a lot doing things twice and then paying someone to do it properly. at least your consultation gives him parts to go hunt for on the used market. Lets hope it keeps going.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Katdaddy2022 says:

    Oh, and another nightmare from the past (not mine, thankfully) Daewoo! Had to do brakes on one, long ago,, took a full day just finding the right brake parts

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars AlbertaPatriot1985 says:

    I’m not surprised you chose to walk away. Smart choice. I am however shocked you still have a Suzuki dealership in your area. The last one in western Canada closed down almost 10 years ago.

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alan Nilsson says:

    That is shocking. Pontiac and other defunct car makers having parts unavailable is to be expected…but Suzuki!?

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars EDDIE JONES says:

    Probably one of the reason that suzuki are no longer sold in the USA looks like after market support is bad. Suzuki in the U.K is not all that popular the interiors design is stuck in the 80s

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Katdaddy2022 says:

    How about an Isuzu Rodeo? They left the scene in 05-ish. Got one as a freebie in '14. No such thing as a free puppy. Got rid of it in 16. I think I saw it I'm Dashcam videos today, in SC.

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars George Cauldron says:

    Anyone who has spent any time working on cars will know that working on oddball cars can be a huge pain, and that sometimes they simply are not fixable. Last one I remember getting forced into was a mid-90s Isuzu Trooper. A shift solenoid failed and let the smoke out of the TCM. The shift solenoid was easy to find (GM 4L30 transmission, used in many vehicles that aren’t GM). The TCM was unobtainium. There was something about that particular vehicle that made the TCM a really oddball like 1 year only part and it was impossible to find. Rather than just politely telling the customer what was wrong with their vehicle and “have a nice day” the owner of that shop didn’t know how to say “no.” They must have bought a dozen of those TCMs from random places all over the world and forced me to try them over and over again. I think they did eventually find one for like $1000 (USED!) and we did eventually fix the car, but the shop lost money on the job, I wasted a ton of time on it, and the customer was still pissed off because it took a month. It was a loss for everyone, would have been way, way better to just do the diag and turn down the repair. You can’t fix everything

    The last shop I worked at had a fleet of loaner cars. All of them were early 90s Honda Accord. Most customers loved them because they’re kind of nostalgic (most of our customers were either kids or young adults in the 90s) and they were fun to drive, especially compared to the trucks and SUVs everyone insists on driving now. Shop owner was forced to replace them as they broke because it was getting too hard to find parts for them, especially engine electronics and almost anything related to the insanely complex vacuum system on them.

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars lvsqcsl says:

    I thought about you just about 2 hours ago. I hit a deer in the ol' Marquis about a year ago and had to put a cheap Chinese radiator because the OEM one was discontinued. It started to leak this week. I found a guy that had a new old stock radiator; it is manufactured by Johnson Controls and said, "Born in the USA." I just came in about an hour ago and not a leak one. The name of the game is to make money; sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do. You don't need to explain that to me, because I did this work years ago. You always do the best you can. That's all anyone can do. I think Ivan has one of these…..Oh! Wait, no. His is an XL-7. Great video!

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Geoff Rundlett says:

    Thanks for another great video!

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars mazdaman says:

    In Europe any parts availability seems to disappear on vehicles over five years old. Sheared off bolts are commonplace and zip ties even more so ….

  35. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Pinoi_Cowboi says:

    yep…Cant save All of them, time to recycle the ole Suzu…!!

  36. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 4B says:

    Up here in the Canadian rust belt we have to make the same decisions on old cars that are long since out of production. Better to walk away than fail to keep a promise.

  37. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jose Condemarin says:

    Love the video and your honesty. Take care thanks 😊

  38. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Patrick Kyker says:

    Man that road salt. I'm surprised people don't build car washes in their garages.

  39. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Catfish Billy says:

    As a shop owner myself, I would make the same call as you. This type of situation is unfortunate but in reality, chances are the customer already knew that parts availability would someday be an issue. They are, after all, driving a vehicle that was manufactured by a company that left the US market 10+ years ago.

  40. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Matt Esterly says:

    I thought you didn’t work on European cars 😂

  41. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chris Williams says:

    I understand what you are doing. You have to make a living and can not do so chasing these kind of issues. Unfortunately, I think this is becoming more and more prevalent even in the newer vehicles. Keep up the good work!

  42. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jim Mulone says:

    Nope. Not a jerk. Sometimes they just can’t be fixed and it’s not worth the rabbit hole adventure. They may not like you now but they will love you later. Or maybe they love you already!!
    Keep up the honest work! 👍

  43. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Speeddemon3 says:

    My neighbor below me has an SX4 and it broke a hood latch spring while I was tuning it up. Hood wouldn't stay locked down. Del Mastro In Peterborough ON who used to deal in Suzuki parts told my neighbor – Have a nice day, had to track one down from a dealer in Toronto since Suzuki pulled out of NA. 2 months for a lousy hood latch. Now the center cross member has rotted out. I wouldn't work on it but she won't get rid of it. Totally right call Eric.