In this video I have a look at a customers 2016 Chevy 1500 5.3 that has a customer complaint of an EVAP leak. All of us in the rust belt are pretty familiar with these rot box Chevy's and their EVAP leaks so I was pretty surprised when the customer told me he had it at two shops and they both told him there was NO LEAK! Needless to say I was disappointed after recording this one to find out Hellen Keller could have found this one.
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Hey there viewers! Welcome back to the South Main Hall Channel Got 2016 Chevrolet It's got the Big Five Three Money lights on. Apparently it's been several other shops and nobody can fix this evap problem. They tell them there's not a leak and there's nothing they can do. His inspection's out by a few months and he wants to know if we can, uh, help him out.
Holy scan here. See what it has? We can guess just as good as the next guy. so let's see just one coat. but I did see a uh little scan tool in there.
so I'm assuming that's it. The old cold clearing routine EVAP System: Small heat detected. All right, not a problem, right? Should have a small leak. Let's go in here.
Uh, let's just have a look at some preliminary things. First of all, let's look at some live data. Let's see what evap. Whereas I can't read and don't get everything up after admissions.
All right, it's venting. We want to see our fuel tank pressure. All right 1.5 So that's right on the money. Let's um, fire it up here and see if we just have a purge stuck open.
Excellent. We expect to see no change in the uh fuel tank there. Foreign check here? Uh, let's see. let's make sure we have control of the vent.
Bell and we want to do the dent now. see if we can hear it. Okay, probably more like that. turn the switch back out and make sure well and it doesn't shut hands standby.
Guess what? I didn't have the key on it. Let's try this again. This is pretty loud when you're clunking away back there, so that's good. I Do want to do one thing.
let's go to not many. Let's just go ahead and start it. Do a freaking concealed all right? So let's uh, put a little bit of a vacuum on the tank here. All right.
We're going to seal the system up radio. DK and we're dropping down. so I'm pretty sure we probably have a leash it is dropping down Road Not relatively quickly, but I guess just enough you can see where the purge back on it again come off and we do have a fair amount. Okay, so we shut it off.
foreign. Of course we're back to the atmospheric pressure. So uh, we know the purge works. We know the cancer vent valve works.
Let's get out of the Avoca smoker and see what we can do here and see if we can see a leak. See what the smoke machine indicates? Let's see here: I Need to get a little adapter. show you this one here. Unhook the line right off the purge valve because there is no got a little spout.
I've gone through no trigger valve rally so click that in there. I'll hook up the Avoca smoker I'll get a hose to turn that baby on. All right. she's gurgling away over there.
We got smoke get on there and then what we're going to do is we're going to seal off the system so not venting so now it's sealed off. Our fuel tank pressure should start increasing and it is just for poop and laughter here. Uh, while I was gonna show up now, we'll let her get filled up. There's a flow gauge on the smoke machine. If it's flowing air through the system, we're gonna see it. I'm assuming it is because uh, the DK rate under vacuum was I think a little higher than it should have been. One thing I didn't look to see is how much fuel is in it. Oh, remaining fuel 4.23 gallons.
so Tank's almost empty. Gonna take a little while to fill that little guy up. Give her some time, we'll see what happens. Here's the flow gauge what we expect here: I'll Kink off the hose so as it quits flowing, you know the flow gauge goes down.
You know it has a small leak. We're probably going to see it around this area down here. Let her sit here and fill up the system and see what we see now. I Have seen in some rare cases, very rare cases where a system will hold pressure but it won't hold back you and that can be a little trickier to diagnose so we'll see what happens.
So one thing I did while I'm waiting. uh I logged in put the VIN into uh GM Klid to see if there's any programming updates that pertain uh to this code. uh but there's not, so we're good in that regards. and I'm thinking we must have a pretty good size leak because that doesn't come down here.
I'm gonna give her a few more minutes I'll start getting a lift under it. not only can I smell it I can hear it gurgling out there I took a little bit of soapy Luger as they say, because I could hear it hissing back here on top of the tank. I Don't know if you guys will be able to see this or not, but I'm not doing that because she's uh, blowing some pretty good bubbles up there on top of the sending unit. so super super common.
You're in the PRN Why? this is one of the plastic ones. so the metal saying units that GM makes they ride out in the plastic ones. Well, they ride out. What happens is the metal lockering that holds the fuel pump into the tank.
it uh, gets Rusty and then cracks the top of plastic. but she's a 16 so she ain't got long from the world Anyways, really not much more to see here folks. I Was hoping it's gonna be something exciting being that it's been at multiple shops and been smoked to every one of these shops according to the customer and he keeps getting a report back that there's no leak. Uh, Not only was her leak, it was a really big leak so it was easy to find which is great but I was hoping that was going to be something else.
so I can't make the videos up. They are what they are. This one needs a new fuel pump assembly and a new lock ring. It didn't look too terrible.
It looks like we'll probably be able to reuse the tank sometimes. Underneath the little tabs rust off the tank and then you're screwed. Now you gotta buying the tank. They make some repair kits but I don't know how about those so that's it.
The only thing I do know about is you need to go in that comment section questions. Comments: Instinct Facebook You guys want to do it, doesn't want to be responding to it. You can do it. Thanks for watching. Thank you.
I learn so much from you Eric. Thanks man!
Show us the tank switcheroo… PLEASE n thank you
Really appalling how many shops just don't care to work. Eric, you da man!
Why is he slurring his speech he sounds super weird
This freakin guy man, he’s too good.😂👏🏾
Chrysler puts food on your kitchen table.
General Motors back at it again with their general mistakes😂. You’re such a Goat you make the wolves cry!
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Eric, if you were a young girl/woman I'd say you sound so cute! Haha!
« 2016 chevrolet » just like the way he says that, make my day every time!!! 😀
It just took one shop with integrity in their work.
What scan tool are you using again? And which do you recommend for diyer with a lift who wants to work on cars in his spare time?
2016 and it's NOT LONG FOR THIS WORLD???? OMG! Why doesn't everyone sue the government or something!!! I have a 2006 Sonata that looks like new…. Western Canada…..
Wow, great job not only diagnosing but explaining along the process. I took my vehicle to the dealership in a last -ditch effort for a diag. They apologized for not being able to help but (still charged me $131.00) but what they didn't know was the little bit they did tell me, I interpreted so evidently they need better people. I subscribed here long time ago & I never stop learning, thank you!
2016 and it's so rusty. Ugh
I figured the Avoca smoka was coming out on this.
I clicked just to see Avoca Smoka in action!
I recently came across an Evap leak on a 2018 Chevy Traverse with the capless system . Could not for the life of me find a huge evap leak ! My smoke machine was pressureising the system and sealing up the little flapper door.Thus not being able to find the leak. When I would purge and seal the system with engine vacuum wouldn't hold vacuum vacuum well huge decay. Come to find out the leak was at the flapper door I could actually hear it and when I put smoke near the capless system it would suck it inn. gave me a run for my money 💰
It is so weird to hear, that being the vehicle is 2016 it ain't got long for this world
Here in Utah, I have a flawless 2007 Avalon body wise – I know you mentioned it before, it still just blows my mind.
“Soapy WOODER” Classic shoutout to ChrisFix.
Just wanted to let you know IMO you do a great job with the videos
Why couldnt the other shops find it? If you can do it they can do it😜😜
I wonder if your viewers actually listen to the words you speak. You clearly stated a while back that you were undergoing some dental work.
Have a great day !
Phase 4 leak
If you can do it then I can do it? How come the other two shops can't do it? LOL!!!
I would love to think you're joking about your pinned comment, Eric, but I'm sure you're not. Must be they aren't as regular a viewer as many of the rest of us who got the news a while back. It's great that everyone is so concerned for your well being but all this unwanted attention is nuts. On top of trying to adjust to your new dental fixture, while still trying to make viewer content, you have business run and a family to support. I really hope things settle for you soon, my guy. Hang in there, brother.
Man I was hoping for a long drawn out diag. But we just get the regular old shops suck and didn’t do a damn thing. Good find either way.
They said it wasn't leaking is THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DIAGNOSE OR FIX IT beyond plugging in their "code reader"
Hi Eric and the lovely Mrs.O., This is why everyone is sent to your shop Eric, you don't guess you diagnose and repair it!!🧐
As usual, you used logic. I guess it had been a big ole busted hose on top of the engine – that wiggles when the car runs, another shop would have found it…
What is the full and correct name for Avoca Smoka? Tried looking here in Land Down Under and no luck. Thanks. Retired mechanic (maybe tired mechanic)
GM truck evap issues….Purge sticking open or dirty/clogged vent system…On to the video…
love that Avoca ‘Smokah.
expensive bit of apparatus but a great tool.
It's clear the two previous shops didn't even bother to smoke it.
I think you need to hook yourself up to the Scan tool
Please get a better microphone. It is difficult to hear you when the motor is running.
How much you wanna bet they actually found the leak but noped out of the effort required to fix it.
Maybe the other shops didn't want to drop the tank. LOL
They key thing I noticed is that is pushed a button on his computer to close the venting on the evap system. Is there a way to do this without a computer? I’m thinking of if I can do this at home without it.
You are a good mechanic keep up the good work
Thanks for the video, always enjoy watching!
Thanks for another enjoyable video. The owner of that truck just figured out who to go to first next time.
Been looking for a new scanner i see you used an autel scanner what was the model and how do you like it. Great video as always can't believe multiple shops couldn't find that
Always enjoy your videos. Have learned so much from following along. Thank you.
I wonder how many billions of dollars are spent installing evap systems, maintaining evap systems, and repairing evap systems– not to mention the cars that are junked because their evap systems can't pass inspection and mechanics can't find the problem (something I am all too familiar with), versus the actual environmental impact of venting some gasoline vapors into the atmosphere. I also wonder how this environmental impact compares to the impact of farts after a Mexican meal. I suspect there is a high correlation between the two, and roughly the same environmental impact.
Almost looks like two other repair shops didn’t want to do the work.
So many shops take your money and do bugger all. Often main dealers are some of the worst. I'm a Builder. One time we were working next door to a Ford main dealer. One of the guys took the opportunity to put his car in for a service. He drove in and parked the car against the fence to where we were working. We worked on the scaffolding all day and his car didn't move. When we finished work he walked around to collect his car and the dealer had his bill all made up with his keys. Hundreds of dollars for a main service. He said well not sure how you managed that because the car is still exactly where I parked it. I have been working on top of it all day and it hasn't moved. That can't be right they insisted it has been through the workshop. They argued. He refused to pay. Eventually they gave him his keys and he never went back. And I know of lots more. My dad always marked service items like filters. When you got the car back supposedly serviced. Before he would pay he would lift the bonnet and check for all his marks. If they were all still there look out because he was a giant dude and not someone to mess with. Amazing how often the marks were still there though. I class a lot of garages now as plug and play shops. They can't actually fix anything. All they do is take off a component and replace it with like. Beyond that they are stuffed. People like yourself that have the skills and take the time to diagnose and fix a fault are rare.
I didn't ❓know that Helen had a automotive shop and she did 🔬🩺diagnostic work ??? Does she work for Chevy ??? Okay, leak is found, parts are going to be🛠 replaced, and slap a PRNY inspection 🏅sticker on it and send it down the highway !!!! I love to 🦻hear that you are bringing out the "" AVOCA ☁🌪SMOKER "" to help you verify the leak site !!!! Good 🔍🔎sleuthing, Eric !!! Now I'm waiting for the repair 📑job to start !!!! Yee Haa !!! Action ⚡🌀at the SMA ASE🏪 garage !!!!!! 😄😛😺👍👍👍
Eric, once again you're very good at what you do!
watch wes work used one of those ring repair kits and it worked out well….
Does NY State Inspection Stations have the Capacity to Find a Small Leak in Emissions. I have seen some pretty Rusted Out Dilapidated Vehicles from NY on Interstate in my area.
If you can do it, I'm pretty sure I can't. Nice diagnostics….as usual. Kudos
Eric: Why other shops could not find the leak with a smoker – They are not as throw as you. They take a fat look and shrug their sholders. You are ver throw. Very good!!
What is really annoying is the ever increasing use of “ We Tried but cannot find the problem best fix is replace Replace everything “ For me when now and when I had my own business I had the harder something is is my trigger or challenge attitude. I had to find the problem often eating some labour chalking it up to personal growth.
Society seems to be all to comfortable or sucked into enabling and allow lazy over priced incompetence… WHY.
You gave away your age with the Helen Keller remark LOL
Really love your videos. I hate nothing more than seeing an evap code on the scan tool for a c.e.l. diag. Would love to see more evap diags or any unusual complaints
It was a good video no worroes
I heard of rust-jacking on brake pads, but not for fuel tank lock rings. It gets so bad it cracks the fuel pump carrier? Damn! I've said it before and I'll say it again – the PRNY salt belt is no joke!
I cannot believe how quick the vehicles in the north rust out!.great video Eric. Great procedure on checking purge and vent solenoids too. Thank you !
You’re the man the customer should’ve just brought it to SMA.
You whooped em again, Josey.
I can't believe other shops couldn't find it. GM has the easy system to diagnose. Maybe they don't actually have a smoke machine?
Great job Eric. Keep it up brother. Love watching your channel.
I'm baffled. Why would anyone take their car to some mechanic first when they should take it to the Master, Eric O. right away?
You make it look easy. It took two visits to the Honda Dealer to locate my leak on a 3 year old car.
Good job!
Awesome job
Multiple shops run my 😈 possessed Phillipino dems.
I would have liked to see the repair as this one might be what is wrong with my truck. Anyway, thanks Eric for the videos.
Hey, at least you got a nearly empty fuel tank! 😂 Love the videos no matter how stupid they may seem or repeated. Always a chance to learn something new or at least it’s a refresher. The commentary is guaranteed to be new content!
I'm starting to think that's where my leak is coming from. I've already replaced the gas cap, filler neck, purge and vent valves (all of them a PITA by the way thanks GM). I'm probably going to need to drop the tank anyways to do a fuel pump so might just change it while I'm in there 😂
Wow your great, can't belive no one else could find that
PLEASE MOVE TO MASSACHUSETTS WE NEED YOU
i've learned more from you than probably any other person out there. anytime i have an issue I come search your page. Hell I had my tahoe in the shop for a fuel sender. Of course it was full of gas and I had no help to wrestle it down, so I bit the bullet. get it back, cel is on, never came on before. they said something else was wrong. i watched your video, hooked up my scan tool, figured out the issue, took it back and said hey, here's my scan tool, here's the issue, they had to install a new fuel pump. pretty sad when a paying customer has to do the trouble shooting for a supposed reputable shop!
i can tell you at my dealership the shops evap machine broke, i tried to get them to by the leak tamer by otc as i have one of my own. Nope we spend 3000 on the bulls eye leak detector which does work but more work than the 600 leak tamer and no one uses it! they try and use the smoke machine that gm sent us by redline which is for testing for boost leaks and says right on it not for evap system testing lol
Love when the Avoca smoka comes out
Another great video from SMA!
And…. again, the moral of the story is that "so-called" professionals are NOT thorough when diagnosing a problem. Lost is the dedication and pride that is SO needed in the world of auto mechanics these days, as modern vehicles advance in technology. Attention to detail! It's such a lost art and that's why it is so refreshing to see a person like this gentleman actually "work" the problem. Can you imagine if the people at Mission Control during the Apollo 13 crisis had said; "Well, we're never gonna get THAT ship back home safely….." and just mailed it in? Yeah, it's a bad comparisson but the principle is the same. Be diligent and work a problem. Quit taking the easy way out by throwing up your hands.
I always like when they "can't find the problem". But I think a lot shops do not have mechanics, they have parts changers. Huge difference.
Another good video, as an older car owner 12 Camry, 11 Sonata. I absolutely dred it when I see the money light come on. Have dealt with EVAP codes on both car. Have spent $1000's getting them fixed. I hate evap codes. Lol
great job Eric, another great video …… EVAPMAN
I'd like to have the cars your quick to send to the crusher.
That was easy why didn't the other shops see it. or they did and the quote was going to be HIGH and they knew the guy wasn't going to go with that price. Or they just didn't want to touch the rust car.
2016 pickup and almost rusted to death. Vehicles are horrible investments in the salt belt.
I think the other shops didn't want to mess with a fuel tank, so they sent the customer away.
Nice one. Again that is a Tech vs. A Mechanic. What I find a bit frightening is that a) the valve fails in 6 years and b) Mr O says it's not much longer for the world. It is now tank out time (or bed up, depending on your preference).
Honest to God, I hear nothing wrong with your speech and I'm British. We invented the language and therefore are best positioned to determine it's accuracy. You is fine.
Your diagnosis begs the question: Exactly how incredibly incompetent the other shops are?
Speeth impethimenth aside Brilliant video as always. I think those other shops actually were lighting up instead of proceeding to troubleshoot with smoke machine.
Another good video
Keep it coming
Not long for this world? Enough with the GM bashinh. Fact: longest lasting trucks on the road are built by GM.
u da man
Unbelievable you said a 2016 truck is near the end of life due I guess to rust, So sad here in Georgia the truck would just be hitting its good years. I am blown away that cars and trucks get so eaten up with rust, in so few years. At $40,000 to $90,000 it's so sad that car builders can't do a better job of preventing rust, but I guess they wouldn't sell as many vehicles.
Do you ever that sometimes they just blow it off and their way of doing so is “can’t find the leak”?
Worked for the phone company. I know you heard that before. Well that being said, Eric O phrase.
Many guys would punt the job just because they didn’t want to do it. Two story house, crappy neighborhood, trees everywhere that sort of stuff. Sometimes turned out to be the easiest of jobs and good people.
That was a great find!
I wonder if those shops don't have access to a smoke machine. Hard to believe but if they are in the business of fixing cars, they have needed one long before now.
Your "pronounciate" should be "pronounce". Not wishing to appear callous, your palate-expander is playing with your written word.
Should be some red faces at those earlier shops that failed to detect the problem.
**************CHEVY THUNDER********* IS MORE LIKE THE SOUND OF A FART!!!!!!!!!
Dealer shops are just plain lazy or the "certified" technicians didn't pay attention on how to diag a problem.
Sorry, but I have to start pinning this until I learn how to speak clearly again. I am not having a stroke nor do I have bell’s palsy, a brain tumor or MS. I do not have ALS or a migraine. Please stop calling my shop to notify me or Mrs.O that I can not speak clearly. I am very aware of my inability to "pronunciate" words like I use to and she is also aware of my slurred speech. We live together and work together and I even talk to her. I have an upper palate expander in my mouth. It interferes with my tongue. Shcrews up my shpeech . Thank you for your concerns.
-Eric O.