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50 thoughts on “Bad tires! loss of control!”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars sand 007 says:

    I've always replaced ALL tires rather than two to keep everything alike especially with respect to the tread pattern and age

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Eric Wagar 5 plus 6 equals 21 is answer says:

    Under Steer is scary as hell and almost impossible to recover from short of letting off the gas and hoping for the best. Over steer an average driver that is not female should be able to drive out of easily. New tires should always!!!!! Go on the front

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sam Jackson says:

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  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Carl Vaughan says:

    I would say for a front wheel drive car and u have more chance of under steering in to a corner on a low grip situation. So I would rather have the newer tyres on the front. But I also see what u r saying. If it was rear wheel drive then yes I would definitely say to put the newer tyres on the rear.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Gregory Frech says:

    new tires on front

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Stefan Marais says:

    I'm my experience for a front wheel drive car you always put the best tyres on the front. Reasoning as follows.

    Cars are designed to understeer since it's a safer option. As ray points out. This is designed to such an extent that you will need either rock hard tyres or bald tyres on a wet road to induce oversteer in normal daily driving. Please note normal. Not racing round corners. Then things such as lift of oversteer comes into play.

    So back to topic at hand. As per my engineering studies and limited racing experience the following holds true.

    Where torque goes one has best tyres.

    If it's 4wd with a 30/70 split you go rear.
    With front wheel you go front.
    With rear wheel you go back.

    This is my 2cents for normal driving.
    For spirited driving it's a whole different story, need to take into account suspension setup, sidewall flex in the tyres, vehicles weight and weight distribution etc. As most things in engineering you gotta compromise. There is no perfect solution.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jerry Weninger says:

    new on front, old on back, imo

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Emma Random says:

    Personally I'm not fussed where any new rubber is as far as grip goes, if you're driving within reason for the conditions there should be no question of under or oversteer. Having said that, I'd always prefer the older tyres to be on the driving axle simply because they'll wear out faster there & be less likely to become age expired/rotted etc… but unless I'm pushing a car (in which case ideally all tyres are equally fresh) there's no real need for specific placement.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Arthur The Last Ancient says:

    I'd only put the new ones on the back if it's RWD. Anything else is front first. Both steering and power transfer are important tools to regain lost control of a vehicle and I would prefer to at least dictate the general direction we're going. With oversteer you still have some degree of control. With understeer you're basically stuck in the direction you're going until you regain traction.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars OK Boomer says:

    My 45 years as a professional driver tell me that the best tires always go on the front axle. Front tires do all of the steering and all of the propulsion (on front wheel drive cars). The front tires also do 80% of the braking, which is why the front brakes are noticeably beefier than the rears. All of these things contribute to why front tires wear much faster than the rears and it's why we do tire rotations in the first place. Incidentally, the front, left tire will wear the fastest because we drive on the right side of the road in North America and therefore right-hand turns are much tighter than left turns. There's extra weight shifted to the front, left tire on right turns, which causes it to grind on the pavement harder, causing it to wear out sooner than the right tire.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Doug Kelley says:

    I worked for 2 different tire store. Both insisted new tires to rear.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tony Santana says:

    I agree with you. But I did tires for a school district for 25 years and law states minimum 4/32 in the front and 2/32 seconds in the rear crazy!

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Keiichi67 says:

    Ray is right, the good ones have to go to the back of the car. If you experience hydroplaning, the rear will, if holding the good tires, not lose contact and the car goes straight ahead. Bad tires in the rear will let you spin off the road, you will not be able to catch your vehicle through countersteering. So always put the better treaded tires on the back of the car.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Keith A says:

    Since I have experienced what happens when your rear tires are bald in icy situations… New tires should go on the rear. You cant control your vehicle when your rear wont stay behind you… ๐Ÿ™‚

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars JonnieLahti says:

    Safety always says best tyres in the back. A understeer is always easier to correct then a oversteer.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars bruchpilot747 says:

    i would never keep a mixed set. you need to change 2 tires with one remaining being perfect ond one being … eh, okay-ish you change all tires. tires is one of the last things I would ever cheap out on tires.
    If there's one tire affected due to puncture and the remaining tires are still in better than okay condition (meaning good or better) you can change a single one, but with 2 needing replacement imeediately and one being "eh, you could change it i guess" you change all four.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars David Bartz says:

    I'd say panic stopping or steering are likely more common than oversteering or understeering so new tires on the front for me.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TJ Kaczynski says:

    I agree with your tire placement Rainman but would put all new tires on after a wheel alignment! It's a matter of $, but better to be safe than sorry.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars JD Outdoors says:

    All great comments, sound logic presented for both scenarios. For me personally I would rather oversteer, and likely remain on the road vs understeer and travel across the yellow line, into incoming traffic, or run through the other lane(s) into any manner of obstacles.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chris Whitelaw says:

    Brand new on the steering wheels every time.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars my surly trucker says:

    New on the rear.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Craig Johnson says:

    I used to mainly have FWD cars, and when I was young, my front tires were close to replacement point, rears were fine. I swapped fronts to backs, thinking that the fronts do the steering, accelerating and braking, so they need more grip. The first time it rained after I swapped them, I had to brake fairly hard on a bend due to unseen queueing traffic. I ended up spinning and facing the car behind me. The next day I decided to get 2 new tires and put them on the back

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars I Y Hassan says:

    I always ask that new tyres go to the back and the old ones to the front because the front ones wear faster than the rear ones and I wouldn't want old tyres that are prone to cracking on my vehicle.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars bunsoft2 says:

    Brake force applies to front wheels mainly, so front wheel new tire, rear wheel older tyre. In case you have a blow up it is better if it happens on the rear and not on the steering wheels so again new in front, older in rear. As a fact, always use good condition tyres and avoid all season ones. Don't cheap out on suspension components and brake systems, these are the ones that keep you alive.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dry Toast says:

    new tires on the front wheel drive vehicles because i am rough on tires lol

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bobby Real says:

    Upfront is where I would change them as well. Sorry Ray Ray….

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tom Robinson says:

    Get four tires !

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SLVRFOX88 says:

    Iโ€™ve been told best in rear since I can remember. Iโ€™m not as broke as before so I just would replace 3 tires

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Paul Scott says:

    Sorry man but most of weigh is at the front, most of braking is done there and it's your drive wheels. I'd have those new tires up front.

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fonder Malorn says:

    In my personal opinion I would rather have the new tires on the Front as they are less apt to blow. Have you ever had a front end blow out at highway speeds?
    I have had both and I would much rather have, if I have to have one, is in the rear.

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Reiwas says:

    without watching the whole video yet, i would put the better ones in the rear cause for most people oversteer is worse than understeer.

    edit: ha I see we think similarly ๐Ÿ˜€

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CHEEKY MONKEY says:

    i find out why the wear is bad on two wheels and fix it, and then replace all four tires, but id put the new tires on the master breaking wheels

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Richard Wolfendon says:

    Round dot new tires go to the front wheel tires go to the rack the back four wheel drive you need four new tires that's usually even rules on

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Poke says:

    Best in the rear always regardless of FWD or RWD

  35. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ahtene Sullivan says:

    As a long time urban cyclist, I know from personal experience that the physics of the vehicle dictate that most of your stopping power is coming from the front wheel(s). It would follow to me that that rubber would also be under the most stress in an unexpected/heavy breaking scenario. With that in mind I'd want the new rubber up front to eat that stress.

  36. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Grosom31 , says:

    no no no no no, understeer is terrible to controll as opposed to overseer which is great fun sliding round corners in complete controll is awsome why would you want to mitigate that. you use throttle control to keep the back in the proper place in time and space as well as the steering wheel, but the brakes often just put you further out of control with understeer!

  37. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jeff Becker says:

    New tires on rear, best two remaining tires on front.

  38. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mikey D. says:

    Put new meat on all the way around! Period. Amen.

  39. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars asassin asa says:

    I never really thought about it cause i always do all 4….

    But now that you mention it, if wash out the front end in a turn, i just turn tighter and gas it to maintain my line…. (i got front wheel drive)

    However, you cant do anything in the rear, if you gas a rear wheel drive in a turn, you wash out more, if you brake, you can also wash out more if its slick….

    So yes, ill agree on the matter

  40. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Edward Smith says:

    Retired semi driver here. After a couple million miles and some blowouts on the steers and the drives I always insisted the best rubber is on the steering axle.

  41. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Steven Smith says:

    New tires on rear.

  42. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jacques Potgieter says:

    Always rear. If other tires don't grip as should replace….

  43. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ๐•ต๐–š๐–‘๐–Ž๐–š๐–˜ ๐•ถ๐–Ž๐–“๐–Œ๐–˜๐–‘๐–Š๐–ž says:

    I drove a van with bad tires and having the ass end slide out is way less fun than the front end.

  44. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ian Mcleod says:

    Food for thought Ray. Here in Australia every tyre service centre I've been to the new ones go on the front of a front wheel drive.