In this video I bring you along as I have a look at a customers Chrysler 200 that has an issue over heating. It sure seemed to have the classic head gasket symptoms but we still had to prove it. Ends up the head gasket is nuked and the car also has another issue the customer neglected to tell us.... it quits at random times ๐. Yeah.... that would have been nice to know.
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That got us a 2013. that's a Chrysler it's a 200. It's got the leather Big Three Six Customer complaint of overheating right now. The car is Stone Cold Stone Cold Uh, it's only been running for about 45 seconds long enough to pull it inside and I've just given it a visual inspection I see the coolant is full, the thermostat is new.
Um I did pop the cap off it here when I first pulled it in to see if there's an excessive amount of pressure from that very short drive in and it had a little bit of pressure. just a little like that. So before you take it for a rep or let it warm up to check fan operation and stuff, I'm gonna. we're gonna do a CO2 block test on it.
Uh, just with the blue fluid just to see um, you know if we have a blown head gasket I do see a brand new water pump sitting in the back seat also. So I think the customer was going to try that. Um I don't see anything else new component wise, some new hose clamps down there in the lower hose. radiator does not look like it's ever been touched.
and then the note the lady left on this thing this morning says that sometimes it has to be driven for a long ways in order for it to act up, so that's kind of peculiar. Uh, of course it is kind of summertime now, so I don't know if she had has a loss of heat during the overheat. uh, which is usually a pretty good indicator of you know a blown head gasket uh, pushing pushing the coolant out. So let's do uh this.
We're gonna do a little CO2 test while it's cold. We may have to perform that test again while it's hot. If that seems good fluid doesn't change color then we're going to let it warm up, check fan function uh, see if we see any anomalies there and then go for a rep. that's the part number on it.
We've used it in other videos. What we're going to be doing is looking for the presence of combustion gas in the Overflow or in the radiator. I've already got air coming up through it and if there is, our fluid will change from Blue to Yellow So I'm just going to let this kind of warm up here. The best way to do this is with a five gas analyzer, but I ain't got one so nothing really materialized there.
I've put the cat back on it. We're going to let it sit here and continue to warm up. We're going to throw a scan tool on it so we can monitor coolant temp. You feel it doesn't feel like there's any air in it, but I mean the upper hose feels nice and Squishy Well, that's a good test or anything.
but um, that's what we're going to do next. So this is warming up here and we're listening to the camshaft heat itself. It's not like a typical 3.6 lifter is grind through the cam and they start tapping like this. This one's pretty noisy.
Um, one thing you can do I Guess what I was getting at is make sure we have water pump flow. easiest way if we don't if we don't have any water pump flow, we don't have any heat inside the vehicle or the heater course. but uh, so turn on the heat inside which is this is warm enough I Just turn it on and instantly had heat so that's good means we have circulation. Um, we want to try to find coolant temps. so there's our coolant tent and we're gonna look for a fan speed. but I Have noticed on this skin tool and maybe on others these two data pins typically don't work on. Chryslers the high speed low speed fan relay requests or desired State They almost exclusively stay off on known good working system. Another quick and dirty way.
We can tell if the pans work by directional controls or the fastest way. let's kick on the AC You can see we're almost warmed up. Usually car automotive manufacturers fans kick on somewhere. it's between 220 and 2 30.
generally most people don't have overheat complete though. comparing driving when it's a fan problem, you know you guys usually like, well you know when I sit in traffic is when when they have that complaint. Let's just see here you know we've got really good heat. It's very hot here.
Let's turn it all the way down. Oh I Just heard the clutch kick on. That's good. Let's see if, uh, see if they have fans here.
Okay, yep, there feels a little cool right here. Real pattern over here. definitely cooler air. Ah, this part is the fan actually I would say overall not not a lot of heat coming off the radiator.
but I don't know if this performance that's open because this hoses this holds a stone cold. Kind of interesting because we're at 206. You can take that thermostat and be open by now. 208 going away.
I know we am. presses on, both fans are on and you can see both our kids there are not valid There we go now. I got some pretty decent warm air coming on. Definitely blowing some hot air now.
Yeah, okay yeah. upper hose is now pretty warm. Yeah yeah, they're getting uncomfortably warm now. Okay, let's go for a purpose that open.
Let's see what happens with our temp here. I wonder uh I Don't think we can kick the fans on with the engine running on a Chrysler I'll poke through here and see if we can. It does have a ton of pressure on it right now. You know the upper radiator hose is pretty stiff.
I'm gonna crack loose the bleeder on the thermostat here to make sure there's no air trapped right here. Foreign. Be very careful on these if you're doing them. it's all plastic.
You actually turn that a little bit too much to break off. So let's grab, uh, grab us a safety napkin you're going to want a couple of them. fold them up. Nice that off about it the cap itself and I have the safety napkin keeps it from really smoking in the face.
So I'll give her a few rev up tune-ups here if anything changes there. So it appeared from what I'm seeing, it looked like the coolant got very agitated there. Lots of air came out. I think I seen it whipping up.
That's pretty interesting. Almost like it had air sitting in it. That's pretty interesting. I'm gonna give it a few blocks back here before the truck gets too cold. Actually let me take a little fluid out of that. Reservoir Okay, where's our temp at? Our temp is at 217. Still no fan yet, but we know the fans have the ability to work. Lots of air bubbles get blasted up through here now.
Fans just kicked on. low speed. Oh let me. uh.
so I'm reaching down here. Uh, the Fan's on low speed temperatures at 219. Oh there's my face. You guys don't believe me.
I Just want to see if our temperature goes down with the fan on a low speed. foreign cooling fans off temperatures back at 213. So this is pretty bizarre. 16 PSI cap feels like it's about 15.8 so that's good.
All right. At this point, we know. We know, We know there's no air stuck in the thermostat at the bleed. Port We know the coolant's pull.
You know the pressure on the cap feels okay. Obviously, we could have tested that, but let's be honest, it's not going to be the problem. It has an aftermarket tank in it. It is a dormant tank made in Tijuana and just sitting here looking at it warming up? well, we don't really see an issue.
Hands were kind of heat on the inside. I'm gonna throw the engine cover back on it. We're going to take it for a rip cooling fan that's back on right now. Both of them are on low speed, a good heat coming off it.
So what are some potential issues? Well, one of them I guess I Guess we could have a faulty gauge I Don't know what her symptom is, that she's seeing it overheating. We may actually have to investigate that, but in the meantime, I'm gonna check out a few service bulletins and then we're gonna go for a ride. It's on our test drive here. What we're going to be looking for uh, is I'm going to have the heat on or I'm going to kick the heat on periodically.
make sure we have good heat out of the dash because that's going to tell us. You know, water pumps circulating. We don't have a slipping uh impeller on the water pump if we lose heat. a couple things you know it could be a water pump which I doubt or B uh, it could be a blown head gasket.
Putting air in the cooling system usually always gets trapped in the heater core. You'll have a loss of heat. Temperature gauge will go up as soon as the temperature gauge drops down. You get heat again.
Um, that's a very, very classic head gasket symptom. What I suspect on this is we probably have a radiator that's partially plugging because by her description, the car needs to be driven for an extended period of time. Uh, typically on these 200s. I've done radiators in the past.
Customer complaint is usually overheats on the highway or at highway speeds, which is very common for a you know, a partially plugged radiator. So that's what I suspect we're going to keep an eye on the temp gauge I've got it up here and we're going to go down the road ad and we're going to jump right on the highway because I suspect that's what's happening if we see our temperature creeping up and staying. High I'm going to be highly suspicious of the radiator so, but those are a couple things we're gonna be checking for. I'll get our heat cranked up here. We'll kick around one notch with the AC off. That way we're not running the fans. Turn that on here. Gotta let the blend door switch.
All right, We've got good heat coming out of the dash Chrysler 200 with a good heater core. Mentioned that our temp is down to 212. we'll go out here and get on the highway and we'll head towards town. So just taking off from the uh gas station there at the red light or at the stop sign, we got up to 222 and it's only like not even an eighth of a mile here to the well, maybe quarter mile to the on-ramp for the big road.
the big big Road Cooling down again. The other thing I noticed too was getting on I could hear the water rushing through the heater core. It's just more of a GM thing. This is a Chrysler thing but we'll hear that so maybe you know maybe we have a head gasket issue slowly creeping up, taking a while to push the push the air in.
We're gonna head north here south rather. And then East got good heat. got to get on it a little bit here. foreign whatsoever coming out of the dash.
Get off the exit here so we're only eight miles or so from the shop. the whole time she wants to run about 220. didn't really budge much from that. uh, still no heat out of Dash I Left the heater off completely and then just kicked it on briefly there for a second.
and uh, no heat to speak of. Get back on here and I still was falling, apparently lukewarm air. It was warm in the shot, but I don't know if you guys can hear that. hopefully a lot of times.
This camera really picks stuff up, but I hear the water agitating in the uh heater core. But like I say that's quite unusual and we know the system didn't have air in it because we purged it at the Uh thermostat. Clearly somebody's been trying to figure this problem out. so the problem happened before the shot.
The parts can then. But what I'm going to do here is we're gonna. We're gonna hammer on it a little bit coming up this on-ramp and I expected temperatures gonna go way up 17 and I don't know plastic for Chrysler issues. Yeah, so we lost throttle and it stalled.
shut off for a second. Foreign cars she didn't like going pedal with plastic start coated charging system high electric coats now electronic throttle control two RPM Performance We're gonna erase the codes because we want to make it back home. Codes are erased. Stupid freaking cars.
It's gonna be one of those days. Uh, so it won't start. No codes. That was it.
That's all she wrote. Of course, the battery's only good enough for about one crank. So here we sit DOA side of the road. we can only go backwards. You're gonna carry us all the way. now. We're just gonna Coast back down the on-ramp here in neutral. wait for the tow truck, make sure we're plenty off the road.
Yeah, of course. like I said batteries Stone dead. So most of the stuff I work on the batteries are junk so you only get about one chance to crank them over if they're dead. But like I say it's not storing any codes.
Of course it's too dead now to communicate with anything. So there's really nothing we can do now other than hurry up and wait. We'll call Mrs o we'll let her know that we're broke down. I Called my brother see if he can come with his flatbed and pick us up and I doubt this has anything to do with the overheat.
conditionally it just happened to be the straw and the camel's back per se. and yeah, I kicked it in the pants getting on the highway. Big deal. Um, if a car can't handle that, they shouldn't have put that feature on the gas pedal.
so no I don't feel responsible I guess before we get that comment in the comment section, Um, pretty hard to hurt a modern day vehicle with electronics as far as you know. hammering on it. Yeah I know the camshafts going out of the car. it's ticking.
but which Chrysler 3.6 isn't? Let's be honest, they all need cams. They all tick. Um I don't think there's anything catastrophic I just think like you know, fuel pump or something. died gauges at half a tank and just pushed me enough to crank it over.
but we don't because we could then crank it until it's dead. which we've already done which only was twice. So I'm just gonna wait and think about my life choices of being a mechanic. Get back.
We're gonna hold it here. then we'll just drag it back around. We gotta get our tow truck. I need a driver? You're the driver.
It doesn't run. Oh yeah. I Guess you can't use it? No no, it's a ignition switch. rather out of it I just haven't fixed it.
so I can check this kid. All right. You carry the toe strap I'll meet you at the car. Okay I want to drive tow truck I don't know if you can operate.
it's out here. We got the hook too in there. so people think that I broke the car. you were driving it I know but I was also freaking getting on it too.
That's what the customer is gonna think. well drove it. You broke it, you know. I say tough patootie.
You must have sabotaged her. No. I don't I don't want to walk. You didn't walk.
You got towed. Yeah, you know what? It's highly convenient, right? Yeah, it's super convenient. Like I got freaking nothing better to do today and work on people's junk. Oh wait a minute.
That's what I get paid to do so we're gonna pull in Bay Two Okay oh baby, let's go you. I already tried to start it. Battery's smoked, put it in neutral tension ready. Please try because we didn't put the engine cover on. That's it. Let's get the charger. We'll hook it up where we tried to jump start it. We'll set it to boil.
We let her sitting here cooked for a little bit. we didn't put it on boil. just 20 amp size. That thing goes.
Now the magic toe bus ride. Freaking junk. All right. Well let's continue.
Shall we do? What you gonna do? man? Okay here we go. Round two back on the screen: 212 We've got no heat out of the dash. very little this thing turn on here but when I rev it up I can see the agitation in the uh. Well now we're starting to get decent heat Now it's sitting here idling with the heater off.
Um I can see it pulling the water down in the Overflow jug. So that tells me our water pump is is a pumpkin. We're going to stay close to home this time we're not getting on the big road. let's go.
It's a brown town here so what we're going to do is we're going to go up this big hill here. up the ladder. the Jacob's Ladder see it's gonna simulate the on-ramp but you can see we're running about where we were down the highway about 2 right? so everything situation is kind of the same. Ready I'm gonna put a pound of the plastic.
Oh, that's what we want to do last time. see what happens. Temperature went down about 10 bucks. we got heat again.
This feels a little bit a little bit safer to drive. All right. We got a blast of heat. Temperature immediately went up to 2 30 as soon as we went off the gas c233 and climbing not.
But if we hammer on it so we got a little plastic, you know potentially went back up. It's falling and now we have heat. classic. I Might get up here and turn around here, right? This car that's a wicked Steep Hill Fans were running pump on here.
put one hander almost there. 230 Barely any heat. Yep, water pump is pumping because we can see it. Oh man.
a lot of air coming up in there, bubbling and burping in there. Let's go test it again. We're coming back down the hill now and the heat. The heat keeps coming and going.
It'll be kind of mediocre. Then I'll get a big blast of hot air and then right stone cold again as we're coming down the hill here. I Feel like heating up I feel the heat coming on dash. at the same time the temperature is starting to decrease so as the temperature goes down then we get heat out of the dash.
Cloud will hammer on it. the temperature will Spike but lose heat. It's a very, very typical symptom. I Guess you're looking for the word for blown head cast because those are something we see.
That's why I wanted to hammer on it getting on the highway there because that's what I would expect to see and you can. You can see. Now we're dropping down to 210 . we'll just leave her running here.
There's a ton of pressure on the system, which is pretty unusual, especially having drip in the car this much. Lots of air bubbling out of it. Yeah, and our CO2 tester is turning yellow almost immediately. It's bubbling like crazy over here and we change from Blue to Yellow pretty quickly. Let me get a light so you can see that better and just to be sure that everybody saw this: I'm gonna take I put I put new fluid in it so you guys can see that there. so that's the blue. You know we can see that. Hopefully you guys can tell in that light there.
but she's nice and blue I don't want to stick it on in case it starts in a vacuum. Let me take and fire this thing up. Okay, foreign -ups there for us. air all right now.
It's been pushing on her own so we'd like to push out all the air that's in the block. Okay, let me go shut it off because it's gonna boil over. but you can see and it turned yellow here as we're pushing all the air out for all that combustion gas. You gotta give her a couple rub-ups to get her to do it.
But there you go, you can see. Hopefully you guys can see that we changed from Blue to Yellow. Let me go shut it off. Quiet.
come on baby. There we go. We got it around before it blew up and uh, hopefully. uh, not for you guys to be able to see that camera.
Sometimes my videography sucks. most of the time it does. but uh, you know we can see. It's probably too bright for you.
How's that? not good with the white balance and things like that? And hopefully you guys understand that. We we have to rev it up because we need that high compression. So sit here at night. Oh I mean this thing's only idling at.
you know, 50 pounds compression? 60 pounds, Maybe 50 60. uh. running compression throttle plate clothes. So when we throttle plate wide open, give it that big gulp.
You know now our compression jumps. you know, plus combustion pressure? I should say you know. added with that mix, you know, uh, super high? I Don't know what the figure is, um without spark, you know we're looking at probably 250 pounds compression. So but add a combustion event you know, make some really high pressure, instantly builds gas and uh you know you can see it.
you know, all bubble out getting on it, let off it, let it sit and you know it's going to purge out that big gulpa air that just took in so that show's over. Thanks for watching. That's it on this one folks. Pretty definitive and the other thing is I Spoke with a customer, he stopped in here I was just finishing up and getting ready to back it out and he says the whole uh equipment on the side of the road thing pretty common I guess and that's what it does to them.
It leaves them walking and then he lets it sit for you know, half hour 40 minutes and it usually starts back up and that's pretty much the time frame that we were. By the time we were sitting down, my brother got me dragged me back here. Of course it fired back up is about that amount of time. so uh, sounds like he's got a couple issues going on with this car. It is a buy here pay here. you know, driving away, take time to pay that kind of slogan Place uh and they've given them an unlimited limited warranty so it's going to get towed back there and apparently they're going to fix it which I doubt? uh, you know I know the place that it comes from and they're not going to fix it so it's going to get jammed full stop leak probably giving back to him or they're going to take it and put them in some other car and you know, turn around polish this one back up selling somebody else. you know after they put stop leak in it one or the other. they rarely fix anything and those places are pretty Savage but that's it.
That's how life is and uh, life. Savage Wow you got real cynical real quick. What? I want you guys to do real quick is go in that comment section right down there. The questions the comments fancy the Facebook You guys know what to do.
It doesn't matter because I can do it, You can do it. Thanks for watching foreign foreign.
You should always carry a battery jumper when you test drive a car with problems. Especially when you have a iffy battery. I always have one in my vehicle just in case. Never know when a battery will die.
I was doing that test on a Dodge Neon one time and she super heated and blew steam out of the jug across my hand, up my arm and across my neck. 2-3 degree steam burns on the entire back of my hand (the entire surface of the back of my hand was a 1" raised blister) I treated at home. Yep, it was a head gasket being heated by the exhaust.
So stay away from Chryslers
Buy here cry there strikes again
Now which head? Did you look for clean cylinders?
Wow… Unlimited warranty, stop leak, never repaired… Things that make you go hum…
Engine sounds like a diesel with a cold. ๐โค
'Life's savage' we all have them days Eric. And it's no point going away to evaluate your life choices because deep down, we love it. Great video again though.
Besides welding and soldering concrete you should NEVER tow cars or hook onto them on the internet.
Head gasket in a can. You know the stuff. Itโs a Yankee car. It will rust and return to the earth in 1.23 years.
That engine sounds terrible.
That thing sounds like a bag of smashed assholes eric
Don't hear noise sounds like loose lifter or low oil
the quitting and then starting up after it sits for a while sounds like a crank sensor going bad. Jeep 4.0s are famous for this…
The bill to actually put this one right must be frightful, seeing as how the whole top of the engine has to come apart, head gaskets replaced, cyl heads checked for cracks, and then, cams/rocker arms, etc.
This has just confirmed my suspicions on a 2.0 ecoblue transit I've been working on. Heater go cold gauge shoots up. Pipes are solid and header tank has some SERIOUS pressure in
Savage life… Glad you're not a savage, mechanic, brute Mr. O'brochta. If more mechanics were like you, we wouldn't need to watch mechanic, youtube videos.
why did they replace the 3.8 with this shit
i had that same problem and it was actually a crack in the head at one of the exhaust ports. I removed the heads and took them to a machine shop. he tested them and there was a small crack that took time to actually overheat like that one is doing
No sweat ive had dealings with some of those buy here pay here guys and one wanted me to have the work done and he said hed reinburse me i said nope the vehicle is your problem till i have it paidoff under your warrantee. Which i read thouroughly
Life gets real savage… yes and being able to fix your own car makes it less so.
Good video Eric, I grew up with my dad driving new yorkers and imperials, what a different world we live in today. Looks like their engineers just create a bunch of turd grenades today. I really loved those old Chryslers.๐
Chrysler Products have always been the fastest from the showroom to the junkyard.
Just over 100k, shot lifter and blown head gasket. Chrysler junk!
What's with the analog clock?
After you made this documentation if they sell that car with a blown head gasket they can get sued
One can of bears stop leak and your good for 100k trouble free km
Scary video !
What I see everyday is customers bringing cars in for repair with dead batteries, gas gauge on E, Trash all over the floor, half full cups in the cup holders. Why anyone wants to get into this business baffles me.
I actually fixed an external head gasket leak on my 07 impala with the ACDELCO tablets. Apparently every new gm vehicle got them prior to dexcool.
Are those engines naturally ticky?
You didn't kill it, vehicles in this condition kill themselves.
Sounds like a bad lifter tap.
So now you have a new rule: anytime you go on a road trip you take a jump pack with you.
My 2001 Cadillac Deville turned the fluid green. Iโm rebuilding the engine now.
It's a pity we dont have honest mechanics in the uk, they all just want to rob you and get you out the door here ๐๐โน๏ธ
Chrysler: french word defined as โall style; no substanceโ. Also, early Native American word defined as โto walk homeโ.
great job
Do you like your Autel Scanner? I'm in the market for one and just not sure what to get?? I've been working on cars for a good 20+ years and just using a cheap AutoZone scanner for most things. When I need to dig deeper I take it to either one of my friends that have the fancy Snap on ones…Any info would be greatly appreciated!! Love your shows! Great info!!
15.8 love your style