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Everybody welcome back to part two of this. 2007 volkswagen jetta 25. Liter in the the last video. I did.
A 4 0. Brake job on this we looked at few things found an oil leak at the oil pan and uh in this video. We're gonna go ahead and uh replace that old hand if you missed it or would like to go back and re watch. The first video of the brake job on this particular jetta.
I'll leave a link down in this video's description. Below. Now that all that's out of the way. Let's get to it we're gonna raise this all the way up pull the drain plug drain.
The oil pop. The pan off and then slap a new one into position. It was parked here overnight you can see how much leaked out already all right drain pin. We need you alright squeeze before we get started here let's uh pull this cover off and get this thing out of the way all right let's see what's going on here in its fullest.
Yeah. We see all kinds of oil saturating. The perimeter of this pan. It does not appear to be the upper pin.
It just appears to be the uh the lower pan. So that's what we're going to replace somebody has failed to uh put that on i don't know why it's off. But it goes right here. We'll just put that back now.
It's out of the way click all right let's move around back here and get this drain plug out and drain all the oil okay beginning engine oil training procedure now who is this i wonder if leaked all right it's not coming out of there easily gonna work uh. There's the crush washer. This is great got it okay. I don't know if these fasteners are torx 30s or torx 27s.
So i brought both and it looks like the 30 is the winner. So let's start pulling these guys out okay last one. I think. It's a lot of bolts.
Let's try a miniature pry bar. First it's a kind of glued on with sealant. We have to break that bond here it comes did you hear it go donkey donkey dunk. I have you now look more sealant.
Okay we have new parts. See what we got in here. Ah tricked. You into watching.
An unboxing video. This is a survey says dorman oil pan yay made in china not much to it stamped steel. And a drain plug all right what uh. What is this why do i have a gasket set from velcro oil pan set yeah.
This is for the upper pan. Not the lower pan. The lower pan is sealed with sealant not with a gasket pokey dog so real quick. I need to come in here and just uh rub off this residual sealant um.
If i find it really thick in any place. I'll just use a little scraper and scrape it off or razor blade. We have to get this surface here completely clean in preparation for the next layer of sealant. Oh yeah.
It's coming clean. Very nicely the towel is abrasive enough to pull that little thin layer off of the aluminum. Which is nice all right 15 minutes of rubbing it down. And i think we're good to go.
Here let's go ahead and get some sealant uh set up on the pan and we'll put it up into position. But first i should like to rinse this down just wee bit this guarantees maximum shiny okay let's get our sealant on this pan we're gonna do it's gonna be black on black so it's gonna be hard to see. But i'll try to get through this uh. We're going on too thick. I don't like it why is that cars alarm going off again and then people look at me like like i did something wrong. What is this seriously. Everybody's always quick to blame someone else for something they find mildly inconvenient. That was a nasty blob wasn't it we'll just smear that around later with our fingers.
I do not like the sealant that i have i do not like it at all it doesn't adhere to things it just kind of smears around like a liquid. Yeah what is this stuff it's not permatex it's like uh oh pro seal. I think yeah that's what it says pro seal. I'm sure it's a fine sealant it does not meet my personal preference.
Yeah. Because this is hideous look at that ugly it's too thin in some spots. I don't uh. This is a disaster screwed up i can fix it it's what i do i'll just unscrew it up it's gonna make it worse.
Okay um. It's going to seal. So we're going to go with that all right pan coming in that's a delicate balancing act. I've got going on here.
Got the pan here i've got my torx here and a driver here with my fastener here. And we need to orchestrate a little bit of harmony. See how this is going to work out once i touch the skirt with this pan. That's it that's where it lives because we don't want it to smear around all right.
There's one let's get another bolt in right over here man all right and then we'll get another one out here in the back. I've probably got to put all of them in because there's really no dowel pin or alignment device. That's going to keep this centered other than the actual bolts themselves. So i think i'm going to set them all in first and then i'll just go around and torque them the idea being i want to get all of them threaded before the silicone makes contact with the block you can even see right now.
How this pin is not aligned it moved and repeat. I'm just going to run them all in yeah. We need more on this side. It's hanging unevenly.
There we go and then as soon as they're all started. I can come through with my ratchet and tighten them all down okay the back side's done with the exception of this last. One right here this side right here is done the front side can't really see it it's not done. We got what eight to go over here.
And the back side. Loud noises and the back. Where the trans is at look at those two that was some construction truck in a trailer going over our speed bumps. Oh bolt gravity i lost one but it's on my shoe.
I'll get it i think i'm down to three four wait a minute here i got three holes. But i've only got two fasteners that's uh that's unfortunate. Where's that last one at i know i dropped it earlier. I did i recovered it it's right here there we go okay let's torque these i'm going to start from the center work my way back and forth like a zigzagging star pattern just to guarantee even distribution of torquay. I got noodle arm. It's so bad ah mini flashlight gravity seriously. It's a mini light. That was its first fall.
Oh. No you don't bigger flashlight get over here all right. That's all of them. I'm actually going to take a longer break now let this set up a little bit.
And then i will uh torque wrench them after about 20 minutes. Normally. I wouldn't really do that but since this is a dormant pan with some not permatex sealant that i'm not really familiar with and like i said. I'm sure it's good it's the same chemical.
But it's just like not my my flavor. Oh i missed one look a little straggler back. There clickage. Now one thing.
I do need to make sure of is that this drain plug is tight because because it's not and that would have totally leaked for sure coming down one click time okay jokes. We've got the engine cover and intake reinstalled let us see if we cannot make this kind of shiny ish. I don't know it's pretty stained. I think that's as good as it gets let's go ahead and start this engine.
We'll raise the car back up real quick and just uh recheck for leaks. Hey do you want to see something cool. Watch this surface of the sun. What look at that the rotor's dirty again all right guys back down below.
We are uh re inspecting this old hand. It is looking good. I see uh no evidence of leak action occurring here the remainder of this video was shot a couple of days later so consider this part too it never left marked it out the parking lot when i was done and the next day. I look underneath of it and what do i see one of those let's get some light on the subject.
Yeah look at that see that that's what i see now this oil slick is from last night. We brought it in i didn't get a chance to fix it yesterday it sat in the parking lot i brought it in last night parked it again and this is what we find this morning. So uh rather than using the component that we ended up purchasing. We now have to uh buy a better one which is probably going to come from volkswagen.
Because aftermarket. Volkswagen parts are well they're just not volkswagen parts are they in fact aftermarket car parts aren't really parts for anybody's car. Anyway yeah. I'm grumpy i'm i do love my job enough to do it twice.
But under these circumstances. I'm i'm upset. I'm i'm actually really excited because it didn't have to be this way we could have just ordered volkswagen parts what i don't know is if i'm like going to make a full video about this because that's what i seem to be doing or if uh. If i'm gonna make a short video about this and just uh slam this workout.
Real quick that i am undecided on moving on up again. Yeah. I feel better now that i got all that out of the way. Let's just do our job again all right now. I may have already jumped the gun and gotten a little excitable about this so uh let's go ahead and back it down a notch. And let's just make sure that i did not screw this up yeah. Because i already already spewed out all the reasons. Why this is not my problem um.
So let's let's just go make sure. It is not my problem you know perhaps. I should have taken that approach before i put myself in a position to insert foot in mouth. Yeah.
That is engine oil a bunch of it all right what do we got going on here there it is okay we have a crush washer. We have a drain plug. We have an oil pan. But let's see if it's tight now you can't see torque.
But actually wait you can see torque this is my uh cylinder head only torque wrench actually. I wonder if i have one that does reverse hang on bear. With me here guys bear with me is that new yes. This will measure reverse all right now we're in business.
I actually never use this one it's a vintage antique snap on torque wrench. It is accurate though i have checked it attack here both directions okay first. We're gonna see if this has been brought up to spec or not and the way. I'm gonna do that is we're going to use the regular old torque wrench and forward.
And i believe spec on this is 30 pounds something like that 30 pounds is always a good measurement. So we're just going to set this wrench to 30 you can see hope you can see it we are set to 30 and if it turns. We are not yet at 30. If it doesn't turn before it clicks.
We are over 30. So let's see if we're over 30 or under 30. Okay we are under 30 pounds. So let's step it up let's do 35 pounds.
We're gonna watch the bolt. If you can see it hope you can i saw it turn ever so slightly. So i'm just gonna step this up to 36 pounds let's see if it turns and the fastener is turning now we click okay the entire point here is that the drain plug is tight let's see what breakaway torque is we'll set this all the way down to 20 pounds. See.
If it breaks away at 20 pounds. No it clicked. So do 25 break away it broke away at 25. Okay so it wasn't over torqued.
It wasn't under torque. It's got a crush washer. It's got a drain plug. It's got a brand new pan.
Yet it leaks everywhere other than that this is a superior quality unit. Made from the finest standards materials and workmanship known to the industry. And it's got a good finish okay. So i think what i'm going to do is just keep recording as we go through this.
But to not make this video. The exact same as the last time. I did this like two days ago. I think i'll just switch this up a little bit and we'll move the camera over there.
And do this in super high speed lightning fast motion. Train pen coming in okay. First things first drain plug goodbye. You need to waste a bunch of oil. Again and booyah look at that bolts are out before the oil is done i can't help but to personally challenge myself sometimes oh here we go. This is interesting we're doing it again oh that silicone is garbage. I've just reminded myself to never use that it came off very easily very easily that was not permatex like what is this i'm like manufacturer bashing today in this video or they're bashing themselves. Yeah.
I'm gonna go with option b. I don't really like to talk trash. I'll let their actions speak for itself. Yeah.
The silicone is just coming right off it's not putting up any kind of plate. I know it's fresh. But i think it should adhere a little better this surface up here is actually somewhat textured. Yeah i'm actually kind of glad this leaked but that's okay because with the help of our friendly local.
Volkswagen dealership staff. They have supplied us with the proper sealant. It's that real expensive stuff that comes in the squeeze tube. There time one minute and uh 13 seconds.
That was the time okay so we're nearly ready to prep. This to uh put a new new new pan back on it got some sealant here straight from a volkswagen auto group and here we've got a volkswagen group box presumably containing an oil pan. I wonder if they're going to give us a drain plug skirt stick shift. All right.
Said. Order. A. Drain plug.
Yeah. Oh yeah. Look at that we got one. King.
Tan. Is done yes. Volt's hacking good. This is what we're looking for there.
Oh. This is gonna go so much nicer than the from the first time around with that little squeeze bottle. Oh this is beautiful my i have sweat on the pan you can't silicone over sweat. What bad that's what i'm talking about much more better earth.
Okay. Let's go put this thing back on the engine. Okay we're back in position underneath. I'm gonna get the pan ready to go let's go ahead and put this back into a super high speed lightning fast motion enjoy all right last one there we go and we're gonna check uh torque on that real quick just to make sure it's not loose and here.
I am saying we're not gonna do a repeat. Yeah. That's really tight good. I like it i'm over here saying.
We're not gonna do a repeat of the last video. And this one's like a carbon copy of it just a little bit faster. Oh. The irony anyway.
I'm going to let this set up then i'll put oil in there. All i've got to do on this now is to put the little skid shield panel back on again like i said let this thing set up put oil in it uh that's going to take a while um. I'm not going to keep you guys for that and so i'm going to go ahead and close this knot right. Now as always like thank you for watching hope you enjoyed this video.
See you on the next one. Don't forget have yourself a great day. See you guys later okay restarting the engine let's head over to the car wash station. I want to knock the dust off this thing click yv wipers attack. .
When fitting new sumps I generally give the mating surface a good wipe over with brake cleaner to to remove any silicone or oils that might interfere with the bond.
Oil pan made of Chinesium 🤣
So, ummmm ….who's idea was it to use the "made in China" knock off part? Really cost effective, huh!
Sillycone sealant 2.0 Bueno!
You checked torque on the other pan the same way with a wrench and it leaked. Why not actually torque the oil pan bolt its not that much of a problem.
I hate that paste you have to put on the oil pan to seal it – why can't they have a regualr gasket to fit the oil pan
I'm down with option B
I have had nothing but good luck with aftermarket parts at a significant savings over oem, even Dorman. Where I am a little more picky is with parts like fuel injectors, even then if it is from a known reliable manufacturer, if a decent savings over oem that's the one I will buy. Even for VW (lots of Dorman and other mfg parts on wife's 05 TDI beetle).
I had a Doorman oil pan installed recently on a 99 Toyota Sienna. I had a local shop do it for me to prevent running into these kind of issues but it worked fine for me. I used a FelPro cork gasket. I've had issues in the past with oil/trans pans and the gaskets so I would rather pay a shop to do it at this point. Sometimes you get lucky with cheap parts and sometimes you don't. My drain plug was stripped and leaking so I needed a new pan.
I perfer to use windshield urethane to seal my oil pans.
Lol he said he rubbed it down for 15 minutes…..
Use right stuff it’s like 25$ a tube with a tip
Once you use Hylomar sealant, you’ll never use normal sealant again, best stuff ever.
I am not a technician. Why not try a different pug and washer? I can do minor repairs on cars I own. Sometimes that knowledge carries over to other vehicles. I have never ran into this problem before. Any help with this question would be wonderful.
BTW, because of Ray and his many A/C videos, I correctly diagnosed a problem with my friend's car. The lower port had a bad valve. Won 50 buck on a bet when he took into the shop. So thanks Ray.
Reeeeeeee…lol
Best silicone ive ever used and i buy my own now. Use it on everything. Toyota fipg. Hands down. The best.
Except on fords. For anything ford. I use motorcraft grey. I refuse to use anything even questionable in quality. I dont want to do those front covers twice.
Our VW beetle loves to honk her horn. Burgler alarm will go on at the wrong time. Ha!
Jetta/moneypet lol
Threebond sealant. The best. 3m Ultra black is also very good. And, get a fine tip applicator.
Would a hellicoil fixed the drain bolt issue.
So, was it a bad pan or just bad sealant? Would the knock-off pan have worked with the right sealant? I understand doing right for the customer but I assume he had to pay for the VW pan while the shop had to eat the knock-off pan. If the "only" problem was the sealant, everyone is the loser here (except the garbage sealant manufacturer).
I'm either fickle or superstitious, but I only use red RTV on oil pans. Never had a leak. Like to keep it that way. Haha
Ty Ray,
One thing i have learned. Cheap Chinese or anywhere for that matter aftermarket parts suck and aren't worth the headache. Spend once on the good stuff and cringe once, Spend once on the cheap stuff and cringe later buying what you should have the first time.
My Father was a mechanic for Hershey Chocolate for 35 years. And he always said you get what you pay for with cheap tools and replacement parts. I never really understood that until I bought a house. Bought a few cheap sets of tools and fought them. Bought the expensive ones, and love them. Even if you use them just a few times a year its worth it.
This "Its ok for a Homeowner" BS you see on YouTube is absolute garbage talk.
Screwdrivers, wrenches etc. w/e it is. You will strip out things. Stuff wont work right. That equals more trips to the hardware store.
Buy once and be done with it. And that cannot be said enough with most everything.
Left with wonder. Did the second pan work? What actually caused the leak?
Fumoto valve. Put them on all of my autos.
Use Reinzosil sealant
Good job Ray, love your videos and I do like those 2.5 l Volkswagen engines. Very torquie
I usually scuff the paint where I apply the silicone
it's like watching Mr Wilson work, all you ever see is his eyes occasionally.
This is why I hate aftermarket parts. You had one job…
3 years ago my father passed away. Mom didn't want the Aussie-built 1996 Camry – worth $200 on the market but I knew my father's obsessive servicing. I took over ownership, bought and stripped 2 others. I've not had to use parts from the spares, I just service Dad's. 300,000 klms, no problems. Cosmetically not good paint and headling, but works as a daily driver. With a lack of semi-conductors, I could sell it for $3,.000. Not a chance. I'm 65 and this car will still be in my stable.
ah that VW sealant smells like vinegar like I've never smelt before lmao thats how you know it works
Why is the drain plug so long?
For an, in my experience, is top shelf junk.
Maybe I missed it but why was the pan being replaced?
I wasn't expecting to hear Metallica on your channel, people generally play other stuff.
I will never cuss the price of genuine honda parts again…..just kidding, yes I will!
gotta use oem parts on vw/audi everything else fails they use a special sealant on the pans and require 0w-40 fukk synthetic on that engine aka vw's are a pain one the ass
I use premitex often and the instructions say to wait 24 hours before you add the oil
Let’s put 32 bolts in the oil pan, that will piss some mechanics off! What was that sealant, so. I don’t buy it.
Another great video and thank you for the brake cleaner effects and segment 😂😂😂
Love the suspense music 🤣
Welp, some of us like to not only do a job twice, but now a third time. Yep, after market parts are rough these days. I’ve put 2 wheel bearings on my drivers side and wouldn’t you know it, it’s failed again! This time it gonna be an oem one. Hey at least I’m a pro by now lol, great videos Ray, I love watching them 👍👍
101/10 using brake clean on the brakes lol
I have a 2006 jetta tdi and 2005 beetle tdi and can tell you is very difficult to get parts that actually fit. I have gotten parts from name brand parts stores and they do not fit, and ebay is an absolute joke most everything is knock off . Most time I have go to dealer, an online dealer site or a German specialist that gets parts directly from Germany. And for vw oil pans you need to use the aluminum rtv silicone not the cheap American red or black stuff
1) you didn't verify that the pan was the issue, such as the surface wasn't flat under the drain bolt, or that plug gasket ring wasn't at fault, and simply replacing it would cost you 5 minutes, at the most and 2) you didn't clear the dirt from the filler. I would have used a 6-quart jug from Walmart to re-capture perfectly good oil.
Vw makes Dorman parts look good.
I think the sealant in the calk gun looked like "the right stuff" by permatex
as soon as i heard the bells i knew metallica's ride the lightning was going to play on the radio and it did…you can barely hear it but it is on the radio…i love working in the shop when hard rock music is on the radio.
That silicone IS NOT the same chemical. Permatex is a superior product.
I have to ask how many cases of parts cleaner do you go through in a week? Whatever it is it’s not enough! 😂
Not requiring a gasket reminded me of my 78' Goldwing. I overhauled the motor, actually I stripped the whole bike apart, and the block separates right down the middle. Both surfaces are milled and only requires their thin yellow sealant, which sets up like rubber. Never leaked a drop of oil.
Won’t the brake clean contaminate the oil?
Don't use permatec… back in the day we had gaskets under the pan and I always used Hylomar … never a leak, and always easily removed pan, as Hylomar always remains soft. But then I was not brought up with modern throw-away mechanicals…. Another interesting point about RTV type sealants… best are still the old Acetic cure types… much more tolerant of wet and slightly dirty surfacesthan the others.
The silicone might have been defective batch that is the only other thing that could of happened. The oil pa might have had a weld that wasn't too good especially since it was from China I have noticed that they really do not check their quality as good as they should a lot of times.
OK… Low Profile oil pans… brilliant. 🖒🤠
Ray don't ever feel bad about calling out inferior products, it helps people like me who work on their own vehicles to know which (and why) to avoid them.
It seems like your part dealers are horrible getting u the correct parts , that would frustrate me
I won't use anything but permatex sealant when doing oil pans. I even use permatex sealant for any small engine repairs that require sealant
Got to love the flying wallet.
Was that made by Dorman? .I suspect so .
Ray, you had me up and down on this one. First I was happy seeing that you were using a Valco Cincinnati tube squeezer and then I was down when you didn't use a nozzle on the RTV tube. Then I was shocked when I saw your shop had bought HARBOR FREIGHT RTV. The best RTV is Three Bond out of Japan. This is also available as Hondabond and Yamahabond and a bunch of other Japanese bond relabels as all Japanese cars use Three Bond. Another good one is Victor Reinz. The Permatex is good enough as well and I like the Right Stuff about the best of all the Permatex RTV's followed by the gray Ultra.
Paused the video to comment…
Hoping to see you use Permatex when reassembling the oil pan. Fingers crossed I’m right. 😄🤪😏
What solvent/-s do you use for cleaning?
– Brake cleaner or/and acetone?
What an archaic way of sealing a cover in this day and age, ridiculous, what's wrong with a properly formed gasket !
The only problem I have with spraying brake clean is that you’re gonna get arthritis in your finger buddy
D-O-R-M-A-N = G-A-R-B-A-G-E
Ray, you really need to stock in a supply of short stainless steel studs for jobs like this, also some tubes of Viton sealant and an Albion 139 sealant gun. Those squeeze tubes suck. Cross torque center out?
never buy junk, unless you want to get nothing done…and is the oil VW spec? 503,504? Look at the stickers
I have that exact same vintage snap on torque wrench, came from an estate sale.
Hand click….reeeeeee 😎
Say no to Dorman products ❌
Nudle-arm, that’s a new word for me, but you bet I know what it is! 😂
Ever see robots do sealants and stuff when they build the cars, it's FAST and PERFECT
Cheap Chinese parts can't compare to quality parts. They shouldn't even be allowed to sell dem junkie parts
I ran into this once, with a Subaru. All went wel. No leaks….
Next day, down a quart and when running, there was a steady stream. Right through the upper oil tube welds….
WHY CANT YOU JUST PUT PART 2 IN THE TITLE!! thumbs down for once again wasting my time
How early in the day do you exceed your daily inhalation limit according to OSHA…on BRAKE CLEAN?
Sooo was the leak from the drain plug ?
Watched a few of your videos, I find them educational despite not owning any of the cars maintained. Love it.
1st question…
– What’s your opinion on magnetic oil plugs, good or bad?
2nd question…
– Why is there never(?) a drain plug on auto transmissions?
Two unboxing videos in one. I have been tricked once again.
Ive used tons of Dorman parts and never had issues. But when it comes to VW junk. ALWAYS buy VW parts.
Here is a good financial tip that will benefit yourself : buy lots of stock in Brake Kleen. When you reach retirement age you will be financially set.
Thanks for the video, always enjoy watching!
The "Volkswagen" oil pan probably was from China too.
I'll bet the Germans sabotaged the Chickadee China oil pan manufacturing plant! 🐔
Curious about the Dormant oil pan leak, was it poorly cut threads, porous welds, or?
Pro Seal requires 1 hour to starts harden, 24 hours to fully cure. I would not use it until fully cured. Permatex Right Stuff, you can put oil in after 90 minutes. I learned this lesson the hard way.
did you do a post-mortum on the drain plug seat? what was the issue?
Can smell the brake cleaner here in Ohio.
WTF,happened to Rays new fancy box opening knife?
More dumheit from Volkswagen.
Why is it that these aftermarket manufacturers can't get it together? Don't they do QC?
For the record. I don't like Dorkman.
You should keep some of those oil pan holders that come in some of them they work in a lot of screw holes and they allow you to do that without having to do the juggling act of screw and pray it doesn't bend
I have found that 90 percent of Dorman products are not up to original standards I dred when I open a Napa box and it says Dorman