Noticed my rear brake shoes were not self adjusting Turns out the previous owner put the self adjusters on the wrong side. It adjusted itself so far down it totally ground the teeth from the adjuster
I had an ‘86 F350 for many years and probably did rear brakes three or four times. Always had to adjust the brakes on one side as they wore. Finally I decided to stare at the problem until I figured it out. The little adjuster pawl thing wasn’t working on one side because the truck had two adjusters marked “L”. So the pawl was facing out away from the ratchet wheel on the right side. Sometimes ya just gotta stare at it for awhile.
Yup that was the first thing that I noticed was that the shoes were not on in the correct position. Short shoe towards the front of the vehicle and long shoe goes towards the rear!
There is no excuse to put shoes on backwards now due to the ubiquity of smart phones and their cameras. Take plenty of pictures as you disassemble the brakes so you don't have any excuse when reassembling the brakes or any other repair.
Interesting! Every car I have DIY has had equal identical symmetrical shoes. Never seen unequal length friction material. Gonna keep that in mind for the future!
I have now spent a half hour, and Google images, Amazon, and Wikipedia all show shoes where both look identical to me. It is still a mystery what Eric O thought was so obvious that a two minute video was enough to make the point.
Damn, all that rust. That's criminal what the state does to people's cars. New Yorkers should be compensated for that. My car here in CA is 7 years old and no rust.
What does "the big shoe" mean? Sorry, but I have no idea what is so obviously visible to those with experienced, trained, eyes. I see no difference between the two. What am I supposed to be looking for?
I have a jeep liberty that has drum and disc brakes on the rear and the backing plate for the hardware kit was broken and i had to cut it off with a saw on both sides because it was clacking like mad. I had no idea how expensive the rear backing plate was, they are 300$-500$ for both. Its crazy, but since the drum brake is for the emergency brake cable i just left the wheel speed sensors and removed the cable out of the way and now it runs fine but it doesn't have an emergency brake.
You should see and experience what I've dealt as a tech in commercial aviation, Eric! RIGHT ON TRACK with your presentation here. To that end, you just defined my Saturday. Gotta go back and straighten out what I did last weekend on my pickup! THANKS A HEAP PAL! 😁
Yep this bit me in the backside years ago when I first started turning wrenches.lost money on that job. And got cussed out. Even though the customer was the last one before me to put brakes on his truck….
I have also seen the fronts on one side and rears on the other. Very good advice as usual Eric. I truly enjoy your videos always great training and wealth of information. Thank you for what you do!
I get the desire to want to eek out more YouTube revenue by selling your soul to the evil data collecting monster known as Google but the whole shorts thing is just Google trying to catch up to TikTok years too late in typical Google fashion. And from what I’ve seen the revenue is generally too low to be worth it unless you’re really desperate. You have a great day job and great longer videos. Why succumb to Google’s latest carrot on a stick?
The first car I ever bought when I was 15 had brand new drum brakes on the rear. The only problem was the drivers side had 2 primary shoes (it was really easy to get the drum off) and the passenger side had 2 secondary shoes (nearly impossible to get off). I switched things around and it was perfect. I learned a lot about drum brakes on that car.
If time travel was real most people would go back and play the lottery or bet on sports…. not me I'd find the guy who invented drums brakes and express my displeasure with their over complication. I've done a lot in my 30yrs of working on vehicles (16yrs professionally) and its the one thing I loathe.
Years ago my brother bought a used mustang . He told me the one rear brake was locking up. Well I took it apart and someone managed to put both the rear shoes ( large ) on one side and the small shoes ( front ) on the other side
I saw what you pointed out and also noticed the hardware is not all there. The small cable that hooks up to the finger that holds the star wheel adjustor in place appears to not be there also. Anyone else notice that??
Very true. I could not tell you how many air brake shoes I replaced with missing spring. Some of these mechanics also are lazy and they just don't care about putting all of the springs on. The shoes end up dragging without all of the springs.
I like going with brake shoes that are riveted to the backing plate, the one's that are glued on tend to come apart when getting hot, doesn't happen all the time.
Reminds me of a certain other Youtuber who installed the calipers on the wrong sides with the bleeders pointing down, then wondered why he couldn't bleed all the air out.
Other side backward also ?? Wondered if he got passenger side right and said well the long shoe is on my left hand side facing the car so.on the drivers side long shoe needs to be on my left hand side facing the car. Thus wrong there.
Literally the first thing I was taught about doing drum brakes.
I've seen this many times over the years.
This would be the correct way IF you were backing up all the time.
The e brake cable is not on or on the wrong side of the spring
Your primary shoe is on the rear.
Also, the right spring is shoved into the wheel cylinder
I never knew! Thank you for the tip!
My previous boss used to say “funny how you need a license to cut hair but you don’t need one to work on vehicles”
Good point for all Knuckle draggers to follow.
Its like doing a wheel alignment by using the tires, if one wheel is OFF the other wheel you are trying to match is going to be OFF …
Thanks 👍
That's a really big shoe!
RTFM or at least glance at the pictures. A good mechanic spends a lot of time on the toilet, reading manuals and trade magazines.
Noticed my rear brake shoes were not self adjusting Turns out the previous owner put the self adjusters on the wrong side. It adjusted itself so far down it totally ground the teeth from the adjuster
Sometimes people replace only one shoe…..
Looks about like my brother in laws car.
alldata is your friend!
Big shoe doesn't always go on the back. My jeep manual says big shoe on the front 1948 jeep cj2a
Jeep drivers are truly national treasures.
Those Jeep people. Probably paid $600 per side for “extra brake clearance” when off roading!!!
primary shoe is the short shoe which goes towards the front!
Today’s video was like a drive-by, greatness well educated gone !
My Dad always said “Short shoe forward.” Never forgot that.
Does this count for the Parking brake pads also?
Good advice as some of my friends learned in high school. The person who you're copying off of may have the wrong answer!😂😂
They switched the brake pads and it still worked? Who'd a thunk??😂
Remember BOB, big on back.
Brake shoes are like mullets. Short in the front long in the back 👍
Tall choir boys stand in the back
Ditto! Got burnt on a Ford Ranger, adjusters wouldn't work as assembled. Left was on the right and right was on the left!
I like my service manual almost as much as utube
I always do one side at a time because I only have one floor jack…
I never knew.
I had an ‘86 F350 for many years and probably did rear brakes three or four times. Always had to adjust the brakes on one side as they wore. Finally I decided to stare at the problem until I figured it out. The little adjuster pawl thing wasn’t working on one side because the truck had two adjusters marked “L”. So the pawl was facing out away from the ratchet wheel on the right side. Sometimes ya just gotta stare at it for awhile.
It’s not Friday yet here 😀 darn kids putting their shoes on backwards 🤣
I knew right away, done many brake shoes..
Primary shoe is put on facing the front of the vehicle. Secondary is facing the back of vehicle.
When I do drums I take a pic before taking it apart
Big O is the man.
Short shoe to the front !!!
Literally didn't know this. But last brake job I did, was removing factory parts.
Great Advice.
All the junk in the trunk. The first lesson in drum brakes
Nice backwards install, they must dock trailers and put boats in for people.
Tell him in order to even them up he'll need to drive more in reverse! 🤭
The front shoes always seem to wear down quicker, so it seems logical that the larger one would be in front. Good tip, I learned something.
Yup that was the first thing that I noticed was that the shoes were not on in the correct position. Short shoe towards the front of the vehicle and long shoe goes towards the rear!
Only you would notice something like that 👍🏻. Great tip. Will keep an eye out.
HAY! that's a good idea
I don't always copy what the person did before me.
But when I do,
I do it correctly.
Does that make sense? Probably not, 'cause I said it. Anyways move along and I hope you have a nice day.
There is no excuse to put shoes on backwards now due to the ubiquity of smart phones and their cameras. Take plenty of pictures as you disassemble the brakes so you don't have any excuse when reassembling the brakes or any other repair.
Interesting! Every car I have DIY has had equal identical symmetrical shoes. Never seen unequal length friction material. Gonna keep that in mind for the future!
1st LESSON I LEARNED ON DRUM BRAKES…PRIMARY(LGR) ON REAR
Big shoe ? How can you tell if they look the same size?
Dang I always say that. Don't do me like that Eric O
Big in the back…..learned that 30 years ago….!!!🙂🙂
I have now spent a half hour, and Google images, Amazon, and Wikipedia all show shoes where both look identical to me. It is still a mystery what Eric O thought was so obvious that a two minute video was enough to make the point.
Damn, all that rust. That's criminal what the state does to people's cars. New Yorkers should be compensated for that. My car here in CA is 7 years old and no rust.
VERY GOOD POINT TO BRING OUT! CHECK THE SERVICE MANUAL TO BE SURE .
Did you see the retraining springs when you’re on the perch it was sticky on the wheel cylinder
More important then brakes, how did you get a NY Jeep TJ on a lift? The frame has to be rotted..
I was looking at the missing cable for the adjuster 😂
I know whats wrong with it it aint got no gas in it
Big back side 👍🤷♂️
What does "the big shoe" mean? Sorry, but I have no idea what is so obviously visible to those with experienced, trained, eyes. I see no difference between the two. What am I supposed to be looking for?
I have a jeep liberty that has drum and disc brakes on the rear and the backing plate for the hardware kit was broken and i had to cut it off with a saw on both sides because it was clacking like mad. I had no idea how expensive the rear backing plate was, they are 300$-500$ for both. Its crazy, but since the drum brake is for the emergency brake cable i just left the wheel speed sensors and removed the cable out of the way and now it runs fine but it doesn't have an emergency brake.
Just convert it to disc and don't worry about it
That had to be grabby backing up
You should see and experience what I've dealt as a tech in commercial aviation, Eric! RIGHT ON TRACK with your presentation here. To that end, you just defined my Saturday. Gotta go back and straighten out what I did last weekend on my pickup! THANKS A HEAP PAL! 😁
Yep this bit me in the backside years ago when I first started turning wrenches.lost money on that job. And got cussed out. Even though the customer was the last one before me to put brakes on his truck….
short shoe on front check shoe size before install
If you’re a real mechanic you already know where everything goes!!!!! If you don’t your in the wrong profession
I got bit like that once. Luckily I figured it out before the vehicle left the shop.
I thought you were going to say the springs are on wrong as they look really goofy to me. I’ve never owned a Jeep though.
Good tip I had no idea there was a big shoe .
I have also seen the fronts on one side and rears on the other. Very good advice as usual Eric. I truly enjoy your videos always great training and wealth of information. Thank you for what you do!
I get the desire to want to eek out more YouTube revenue by selling your soul to the evil data collecting monster known as Google but the whole shorts thing is just Google trying to catch up to TikTok years too late in typical Google fashion. And from what I’ve seen the revenue is generally too low to be worth it unless you’re really desperate. You have a great day job and great longer videos. Why succumb to Google’s latest carrot on a stick?
The man speaks the truth
Yup short shoe goes on the front
Got to love the cars with built in Factory defects !!!
The shoe in the front is a spare right, so you just swap em around and good for another 20k miles! 😅🤣😂🙄
Great point! How many many times I seen this exact thing done.
😲 well the right guy is on the job NOW! WE'VE SEEN UR JOBS!!!🙌👍
👍👍👍👍👍👍
My car's shoes are both the same size. Also, drum brakes are a pain in the ass.
The first car I ever bought when I was 15 had brand new drum brakes on the rear. The only problem was the drivers side had 2 primary shoes (it was really easy to get the drum off) and the passenger side had 2 secondary shoes (nearly impossible to get off). I switched things around and it was perfect. I learned a lot about drum brakes on that car.
If time travel was real most people would go back and play the lottery or bet on sports…. not me I'd find the guy who invented drums brakes and express my displeasure with their over complication. I've done a lot in my 30yrs of working on vehicles (16yrs professionally) and its the one thing I loathe.
Years ago my brother bought a used mustang . He told me the one rear brake was locking up. Well I took it apart and someone managed to put both the rear shoes ( large ) on one side and the small shoes ( front ) on the other side
But it’s Thursday, not Friday Eric 🤡
so, what you're saying is, maybe we should get ase certified and use the service manual, right?
That's right , primary and secondary. Big shoe to the back!
I saw what you pointed out and also noticed the hardware is not all there. The small cable that hooks up to the finger that holds the star wheel adjustor in place appears to not be there also.
Anyone else notice that??
Very true.
I could not tell you how many air brake shoes I replaced with missing spring. Some of these mechanics also are lazy and they just don't care about putting all of the springs on. The shoes end up dragging without all of the springs.
😳Wait….so the brakes lasted that long on backwards🤣must of been high quality brakes😉
A lot of mechanics make mistakes when installing drum brakes good point great video!!!!
Seen it right away. Brake shoes are like Funny Car tires. Big ones in back.
I like going with brake shoes that are riveted to the backing plate, the one's that are glued on tend to come apart when getting hot, doesn't happen all the time.
It's a jeep thing, you wouldn't understand. He obviously needed better brakes when backing up
DONT ROAST THE POOR GUY!!!!!! JUST SMOKE HIM……….GOOD ONE SIR…..
Reminds me of a certain other Youtuber who installed the calipers on the wrong sides with the bleeders pointing down, then wondered why he couldn't bleed all the air out.
Other side backward also ?? Wondered if he got passenger side right and said well the long shoe is on my left hand side facing the car so.on the drivers side long shoe needs to be on my left hand side facing the car. Thus wrong there.